There is only 2 options, Life formed because of God, or by random chance from non-living matter

JohnB445 · 2026-01-01T22:32:07-0600

That we have a universe that we may never know why it exists or what purpose it has, and that after billions and billions of years non-living matter hit other non-living matter just right and by chance formed biological matter, which would then by random chance form even more complex biological matter, and know how to adapt and evolve to the environment by chance, and that by chance it just so happened to happen on a planet where the conditions would be perfect for life out of trillions of galaxies and solar systems. and that every living thing is an accident and the universe doesn't know anything or that living things exist, and by chance a living animal evolved to be intelligent enough to understand the universe, and the physics of it.

Or we have a creator and life has purpose.

So we have two options on what to believe.

If there was no creator than how were we created? how can there be any creation without a creator?

If a tornado went through a junkyard, what are the chances it assembles a fully functional plane? what if it went through the junkyard a trillion times? This is the analogy I am going to use when people say we were created by complete randomness.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2026-01-02T00:55:10-0600

Ah, bad reductional logic this early in the morning.

Why exactly does life not being made by a creator rob it of any purpose? I've never seen anyone answer that question well. Because I know that for people like you who ask that question care more about the after than the here and now, which has as much bearing on the after. In fact, per Christian doctrine, the 'here and now' has more bearing on the after than anyone who says life has no purpose.

And also... how exactly does this relate to Physical and Life sciences?

Bradskii · 2026-01-02T03:30:35-0600

JohnB445 said:
If a tornado went through a junkyard, what are the chances it assembles a fully functional plane? what if it went through the junkyard a trillion times? This is the analogy I am going to use when people say we were created by complete randomness.

Then this will be the analogy that reveals your lack of understanding of the evolutionary process.

NBB · 2026-01-02T05:03:00-0600

Some people would prefer to believe that aliens did it rather than God.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2026-01-02T06:05:31-0600

NBB said:
Some people would prefer to believe that aliens did it rather than God.

And they are welcome to do so.

Larniavc · 2026-01-02T06:08:34-0600

JohnB445 said:
That we have a universe that we may never know why it exists or what purpose it has, and that after billions and billions of years non-living matter hit other non-living matter just right and by chance formed biological matter, which would then by random chance form even more complex biological matter, and know how to adapt and evolve to the environment by chance, and that by chance it just so happened to happen on a planet where the conditions would be perfect for life out of trillions of galaxies and solar systems. and that every living thing is an accident and the universe doesn't know anything or that living things exist, and by chance a living animal evolved to be intelligent enough to understand the universe, and the physics of it.

Or we have a creator and life has purpose.

So we have two options on what to believe.

If there was no creator than how were we created? how can there be any creation without a creator?

If a tornado went through a junkyard, what are the chances it assembles a fully functional plane? what if it went through the junkyard a trillion times? This is the analogy I am going to use when people say we were created by complete randomness.

Oh dear. Here we go again.

Let’s say it is a creator god that did it all. How would we know which one it was and how they did it?

NBB · 2026-01-02T06:42:49-0600

Larniavc said:
Oh dear. Here we go again.

Let’s say it is a creator god that did it all. How would we know which one it was and how they did it?

How he did it is impossible to know, since it would like a animal understanding computing or something.
But, we can know for sure God, is not hallucinations, low requirements for proof, 'feelings' or mental illness.
We can have his presence, and help, and have communion with God in a real way, like millions of people do.

BCP1928 · 2026-01-02T08:01:19-0600

JohnB445 said:
That we have a universe that we may never know why it exists or what purpose it has, and that after billions and billions of years non-living matter hit other non-living matter just right and by chance formed biological matter, which would then by random chance form even more complex biological matter, and know how to adapt and evolve to the environment by chance, and that by chance it just so happened to happen on a planet where the conditions would be perfect for life out of trillions of galaxies and solar systems. and that every living thing is an accident and the universe doesn't know anything or that living things exist, and by chance a living animal evolved to be intelligent enough to understand the universe, and the physics of it.

Or we have a creator and life has purpose.

So we have two options on what to believe.

If there was no creator than how were we created? how can there be any creation without a creator?

If a tornado went through a junkyard, what are the chances it assembles a fully functional plane? what if it went through the junkyard a trillion times? This is the analogy I am going to use when people say we were created by complete randomness.

In that case you need to go find people who believe we were created by complete randomness. Nobody in this forum believes that, not even the atheists.

MarcusGregor · 2026-01-02T08:47:24-0600

JohnB445 said:
That we have a universe that we may never know why it exists or what purpose it has, and that after billions and billions of years non-living matter hit other non-living matter just right and by chance formed biological matter, which would then by random chance form even more complex biological matter, and know how to adapt and evolve to the environment by chance, and that by chance it just so happened to happen on a planet where the conditions would be perfect for life out of trillions of galaxies and solar systems. and that every living thing is an accident and the universe doesn't know anything or that living things exist, and by chance a living animal evolved to be intelligent enough to understand the universe, and the physics of it.

Or we have a creator and life has purpose.

So we have two options on what to believe.

If there was no creator than how were we created? how can there be any creation without a creator?

If a tornado went through a junkyard, what are the chances it assembles a fully functional plane? what if it went through the junkyard a trillion times? This is the analogy I am going to use when people say we were created by complete randomness.

Did... did you... did you seriously just use the "tornado in a junkyard" analogy? Unironically? Wow.

Larniavc · 2026-01-02T09:04:12-0600

NBB said:
But, we can know for sure God, is not hallucinations, low requirements for proof, 'feelings' or mental illness.

How?

Larniavc · 2026-01-02T09:05:56-0600

MarcusGregor said:
Did... did you... did you seriously just use the "tornado in a junkyard" analogy? Unironically? Wow.

It’s pretty rare to see that one out in the wild these days. I thought it was extinct.

NBB · 2026-01-02T09:06:32-0600

Larniavc said:
How?

if you read the bible, you know the Holy spirit was given to the disciples, the same can happen to anyone. As real as anything else.
You don't even need to be someone special or something.

Larniavc · 2026-01-02T09:08:04-0600

NBB said:
Some people would prefer to believe that aliens did it rather than God.

Or just nature. That seems most reasonable.

Larniavc · 2026-01-02T09:09:37-0600

NBB said:
if you read the bible, you know the Holy spirit was given to the disciples, the same can happen to anyone. As real as anything else.
You don't even need to be something special or something.

I’ve read the Bible. Its claims have yet to be evidenced.

Have you read the Bible? What claims of the Bible have been evidenced?

Hans Blaster · 2026-01-02T09:22:05-0600

Larniavc said:
It’s pretty rare to see that one out in the wild these days. I thought it was extinct.

It's a rookie move made only by those who've never engaged in the C/E debate before. (Or low-tier apologists and other dishonest people.)

NBB · 2026-01-02T10:02:14-0600

Larniavc said:
I’ve read the Bible. Its claims have yet to be evidenced.

Have you read the Bible? What claims of the Bible have been evidenced?

You can't know God with evidence, even if you are totally convinced you need to get closer to him still to know Him, so.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2026-01-02T10:05:10-0600

I think this might just be a post and run from @JohnB445

NBB · 2026-01-02T10:07:01-0600

Anyway it says rookie move on the junkyard comparison, it's not,
look at evolutionist, they say to have vision you need to first get a light sensitive cell....
well, in the correct place that the animal needs it just popped an light sensitive cell? how? that is bs, that is a whole junkyard assembling itself.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2026-01-02T10:22:40-0600

NBB said:
Anyway it says rookie move on the junkyard comparison, it's not,
look at evolutionist, they say to have vision you need to first get a light sensitive cell....
well, in the correct place that the animal needs it just popped an light sensitive cell? how? that is bs, that is a whole junkyard assembling itself.

And that's a great way to tell us that you don't know what you're arguing against.

Besides: evolution doesn't rule out a creator in any way or form. It just says how we got the lifeforms we have now. The only thing it rules out is Biblically literal Creationism.

Ophiolite · 2026-01-02T10:23:35-0600

NBB said:
Anyway it says rookie move on the junkyard comparison, it's not,
look at evolutionist, they say to have vision you need to first get a light sensitive cell....
well, in the correct place that the animal needs it just popped an light sensitive cell? how? that is bs, that is a whole junkyard assembling itself.

Oh dear. Such confidence in your lack of knowledge is sad to view. Where to begin? I suggest you educate yourself on what evolution actually is, not the cartoon version you currently hold so dear. Unfortunately, you will likely just double down on your ignorance on the subject, perhaps because it feels better.

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