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Please : Do they know of which astrological sign was Jesus ?

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Thank you.
"Wise men", in some translations happen to be called : "magi", which in french means : "priest and astrologer of antic Assyrie".
i was just following this hypothetic clue Jesus might have been influenced by an astrology-related speech they might have told Joseph and Mary.
i say to myself : "why not, if we consider Gabriel or Symeon's speeches have influenced Jesus through what his parents have heard ?".

In Greek a magos (plural magoi) referred to a priestly class from Persia (maybe Zoroastrians?) connected to performing rituals, interpreting dreams, reading omens, etc. The word came to have a broader meaning, for example Simon Magus was a cult leader who claimed to perform great deeds, and was called "the great power". There's really no reason to associate him with Persia, but he was a Samaritan who had a cult following and the epithet "Magus" is likely tied to his claim of being able to work "wonders". Not that he actually could, but that he claimed to, and had those that believed he could. Which is how this word would eventually give us "magic" and "magician" etc. It's a bit like how "wizard" originally just meant "wise person" (compare drunkard, a drunk person; sluggard, a lazy person, etc) but evolved to mean something else.

The magi from the East are very likely from somewhere in Persia, the fact that they were following a star indicates they were stargazers. They probably did practice some kind of astrology.

The Bible at no point condones the act of using the stars to predict the future, astrology is always condemned as all forms of divination are always condemned as contrived human superstition.

And yet throughout the Bible God acts in profoundly unexpected ways. When Barlaam the false prophet went out to offer a false prophecy against God's people, God caused his donkey to speak. When Saul sought out the necromancer to speak to the departed soul of the Prophet Samuel, Samuel actually shows up and rebukes Saul. The person who kept Joshua and Caleb safe was a prostitute.

The existence of the magi is presented as the recognition of a foreign nation coming to worship the King--even when God's own people weren't recognizing the King.

The Christmas Story, as told in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, present to us profoundly counter-intuitive events surrounding the birth of not just a king, but THE King.

When Jesus is born angels herald and announce His birth. To whom do they announce it? To the courts of Herod and Caesar, to the emperors and kings and princes and powerful? No, it is to a group of poor shepherds looking after their sheep out in a field. Where is the King born? In a palace surrounded by servants and gold? No, in a place where animals were kept, and He had as His first bed a manger--the feeding trough of an animal. The heavens themselves, seemingly, proclaimed the birth of the King, and yet it is not Herod, it is not the sages and learned men of Judea, it is not recognized by God's own people--but by foreigners.

We also can't ignore the prophetic significance of this.

"For My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place, incense and pure offerings will be presented in My name, because My name will be great among the nations,” says the LORD of Hosts." - Malachi 1:11

"In the last days the mountain of the house of the LORD will be established as the chief of the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream to it.

And many peoples will come and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us His ways so that we may walk in His paths.” For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem." - Isaiah 2:2-3

"All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD. All the families of the nations will bow down before Him.

For dominion belongs to the LORD and He rules over the nations." - Psalm 22:27-28

"Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn." - Isaiah 60:3

These foreigners bringing gifts of gold and incense to the feet of Jesus, worshiping Him. It hearkens to the promise of God bringing the nations to Himself, it anticipates the going forth of the word of God, the preaching of the Gospel, to every nation and tribe. "Go forth and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit" "You will be My witnesses beginning in Jerusalem, through all of Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth." "Preach the Gospel to every living creature"

It's not about God putting some stamp of approval on astrology. But it is about the unexpected ways in which God is fulfilling His promises.
 
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It's not about God putting some stamp of approval on astrology. But it is about the unexpected ways in which God is fulfilling His promises.
"Preach the Gospel to every living creature"
I deeply thank you for your passionate message.
May be i should make myself more accurate. Thank you also for it helps me to do so
Indeed, when i write
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through his own baptism by John, he might also have washed and get rid of men' superstitious or pagan beliefs in the Jordan, according to a hypothesis of mine, in order to become the lamb of God, as you say.
i don't want to mean Jesus did put some stamps of approval on astrology, but that he likely had to struggle against.
It was a bit like making his foes a footstool
 
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Why does OP believe in Astrology? As the other guy said, its complete and utter nonsense. Also it is forbidden in the Bible to practice it.
Hello Jacqueline
As for me, i never built hypothesis in relation with astrology. I simply observe some people do, and concluded the belief in astrology exists, even if i don't believe in astrology myself.
Indeed, it's just that i can't ignore these persons believe in astrology (or other pagan beliefs), nor did Jesus ignore them, i suppose.
i assume he subsequently had to struggle against the belief of astrology's disciples, and may be against other pagan beliefs
 
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