US Aid one year later

Lukaris · Monday at 6:04 PM

Yet USAID seemed like a perpetual system that actually preserved ongoing cycles of war, famine, death etc. and kept a bureaucracy dedicated to this employed.

From a March 2024 testimony by a former USAID official ( examples on pp 7 & 8 on Syria, Houti rebels, Haiti & others testify to this). I can’t copy the text for some reason on my phone .

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117010/witnesses/HHRG-118-GO06-Wstate-PrimoracM-20240321.pdf

This short 11 page report shows a failed policy, perpetual bureaucracy, corruption & the very ongoing death, disease, food crises etc. that gleeful, so called impact models predict.

A2SG · Monday at 10:29 PM

Desk trauma said:
Yeah, where are the indictments for the billions if fraud?

Anything?

Oh come on! No one's guilty of fraud any more. That is so Pre-Trump.

-- A2SG, even if they're found guilty, it was lawfare!

Larniavc · Tuesday at 2:31 AM

Always in His Presence said:
Are you as vocal about the millions being killed in their mothers womb for convenience sake? Or is that just an inconvenient truth that needs to be ignored.

I don’t believe abortions are killing children. Are you saying that my belief in that justifies the cessation of USAID leading to hundreds of thousands of child deaths?

Larniavc · Tuesday at 2:32 AM

Lukaris said:
Yet USAID seemed like a perpetual system that actually preserved ongoing cycles of war, famine, death etc. and kept a bureaucracy dedicated to this employed.

From a March 2024 testimony by a former USAID official ( examples on pp 7 & 8 on Syria, Houti rebels, Haiti & others testify to this). I can’t copy the text for some reason on my phone .

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117010/witnesses/HHRG-118-GO06-Wstate-PrimoracM-20240321.pdf

This short 11 page report shows a failed policy, perpetual bureaucracy, corruption & the very ongoing death, disease, food crises etc. that gleeful, so called impact models predict.

Of course if everyone dies there will be no more death.

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 9:04 AM

Desk trauma said:
I don't partake in slop.

and yet - here you are taking part....

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 9:05 AM

Larniavc said:
I don’t believe abortions are killing children. Are you saying that my belief in that justifies the cessation of USAID leading to hundreds of thousands of child deaths?

No - it points out what I believe to be a type of intellectual hypocrisy. Using the "deaths" of children to rail against a politician, while ignoring 'deaths' of children because it fits within the confines of a political stance.

MarkSB · Tuesday at 9:11 AM

Always in His Presence said:
How convenient a diversion -

Are you as vocal about the millions being killed in their mothers womb for convenience sake? Or is that just an inconvenient truth that needs to be ignored.

Perhaps there is an atheist website that expresses the unborn's net worth?

Somewhat ironic that you accuse others of a diversion, while you yourself are using a diversion.

I thought USAID was the topic of the thread.

Desk trauma · Tuesday at 9:17 AM

Always in His Presence said:
and yet - here you are taking part....

Oh? Are you having AI do all the posting for you now?

Desk trauma · Tuesday at 9:18 AM

Always in His Presence said:
No - it points out what I believe to be a type of intellectual hypocrisy. Using the "deaths" of children to rail against a politician, while ignoring 'deaths' of children because it fits within the confines of a political stance.

Couldn't possibly that people hold different views than you on the matter, nope, they believe just as you do yet pretend that that do not.

Desk trauma · Tuesday at 9:19 AM

MarkSB said:
Somewhat ironic that you accuse others of a diversion, while you yourself are using a diversion.

I thought USAID was the topic of the thread.

Any thread can become about abortion or trans with one whatabout.

Hans Blaster · Tuesday at 9:35 AM

MarkSB said:
Somewhat ironic that you accuse others of a diversion, while you yourself are using a diversion.

I thought USAID was the topic of the thread.

It's not really "ironic". It is a *tactic*. In this particular case trying to attack us (by implication, as they don't know it to be the case) that we don't think fetuses or un-ovulated ova are people.

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 9:41 AM

camille70 said:
You make an example out of fraudsters and recoup the money if possible. Put better systems in place to prevent fraud.

Why have the Democrats, who had control of Congress do anything bout it for years? This isn't something that suddenly appeared in the last 10 months -

camille70 said:
Its been said the GOP will let 99 people starve or stay homeless to stop one person who doesn't need help from getting food/shelter and dems will feed/shelter 99 people who don't need help so the one who does won't freeze and starve.

Whomever said that is suffering from a severe political bias IMHO - different reality.

camille70 said:
I always thought that was an exaggeration, but now I'm not so sure.

I'm sure it is a complete political byline fit only for liberal bumper stickers.

camille70 said:
There needs to be balance of course, but if evil doers who will take advantage of a program is enough to stop all aid, then no one anywhere will ever get help because those folks are always present and looking to con. They are in government, Churches, charities and all sorts of businesses.

Thanks for your opinion - we disagree

camille70 said:
Regardless, I dont think you care about fraud.

What I really don't care about is what you think of me or what you assume I care about - making responses personal is a sign of great weakness in an argument.

camille70 said:
Trump has pardoned all sorts of fraudulent people and let them get out of paying restitution, yet has your support.

I think you believe this, and you are welcome to - but I'm not the subject here.

camille70 said:
He has himself been convicted of fraud , has paid millions to settle fraud cases with the Trump Foundation and his school, and can no longer operate charities in NY.

YAWN.......

camille70 said:
He's bombing supposed drug traffickers as a pretext to remove leadership in Venezuela but pardoning the other drug traffickers that were actually convicted.

You mean the boats with four and five engines, loaded down with packages going 50 mph - the ones drug runners use?

If you want to speak of pardoning drug trafficker's - look at Barack Hussein Obama's record also.

camille70 said:
That whole "all authority is appointed by God" so don't question or oppose it only applies to republican presidents and Israel, I guess.

Only the left is promoting that, hmm... I wonder why?

camille70 said:
The GOP in general only cares about the rule of law when it's laws they agree with, laws that benefit them or to the degree laws can be weaponized against those they don't like.

That calls for you being able to read their minds and motivations - and not make and equal comparison to the Democrats. Your mind reading machine seems to be broken.

camille70 said:
So spare me the faux outrage because, IMO, you seem perfectly fine with waste, fraud and abuse if it's carried out by or for the right people.

Again - I could care less what you think of me - I'm not the subject of the thread - the weakness of your arguments (IMHO) seems to be increasing.

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 9:43 AM

Desk trauma said:
Oh? Are you having AI do all the posting for you now?

No - I came up with that all by myself.

But wait, let me check.........

gotcha.

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 9:45 AM

Desk trauma said:
Couldn't possibly that people hold different views than you on the matter, nope, they believe just as you do yet pretend that that do not.

If I was part of the grammar patrol - I might be able to understand what that group of words mean.

Desk trauma · Tuesday at 9:50 AM

Always in His Presence said:
If I was part of the grammar patrol - I might be able to understand what that group of words mean.

I love the smell of disingenuity in the morning, it smells like CF.

MarkSB · Tuesday at 10:15 AM

Always in His Presence said:
If I was part of the grammar patrol - I might be able to understand what that group of words mean.

Insert a “be” as the 3rd word? Problem solved.

Threads and attitudes like these are the ones which really are making a bad name for Christianity, and they are quite tiresome. It really is rather unfortunate.

EDIT: Ah, and also change the second "that" to "they". I better make sure I have it perfect, lest you also hurl insults my way.

MarkSB · Tuesday at 11:08 PM

For all the "Why does the US need to be the country saving all these people" comments... the graph below shows that we are not at the top when viewing foreign aid as a percentage of national income. Sure, the amount that the US provides is higher because of our larger economy, but it’s not a huge slice of the pie.

Some of the commentary makes it sound like America is bearing the burden all alone.

MarkSB · Tuesday at 11:34 PM

Some other interesting statistics... The table below shows private charitable giving as a percentage of GDP. These figures are from 2016. The table below is taken from Wikipedia, which references the Charities Aid Foundation (CAF) as a source.

One thing to keep in mind: A sizeable portion (somewhere from 33 - 50%... there is conflicting data out there) of the U.S. donations go to churches. And only a small percentage of those church donations goes to the down trodden. But if you were to take that out, it would still leave the U.S. at the top of the list.

NOT a reason to cut foreign aid, IMO... since foreign aid still has its place. Only a portion of the charitable giving below would have went to international aid.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-31T01:38:25-0600

rjs330 said:
We have no idea if that many deaths are actually happening as a direct result of the end of USAID. The article's only list models as evidence. Is the US really responsible for taking care of everyone else? We are responsible for letting people into this country who want in and it doesnt matter if tgey are legal or not. We are responsible for feeding them and taking care of them. We are responsible for seeing to it that rhe rest of the world is being fed and taken care of. We are responsible for defending the world as well.

It seems like our country is responsible for the world then. We have our own issues at home that need to be taken care of first. We cannot take care of the world.

With great power comes great responsibility.

rjs330 · 2025-12-31T11:34:05-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
With great power comes great responsibility.

We don't have great power. If we did we could juat take over those countries and instil the US Constitutional Government and capitalism. But I have a feeling the countries wouldnt appreciate that. Neither would the rest of the world. But they sure want our money though, with few strings attached.

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