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The Gift of Healing.

It's important to note that the gift of healing is healing through human agency. It's not when God sometimes answers faithful prayer, even sometimes miraculously. That would be a redefinition of the gift of healing and is unbiblical. Everyone has the right to cry out in prayer and ask for anything. Sometimes God answers those prayers and sometimes, though very rarely, it can be answered in a miraculous manner. But mostly those prayers are answered through providence. That being non miraculous means. God providentially governs everything. It doesn't need to be a miracle for it to be from God.

Here is the Biblical gift of healing...

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Luke 4:40 When the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one of them and healed them.

Jesus healed them all.

Acts 5:12-16 And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. And they were all with one accord in Solomon's Porch. so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. Also a multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, bringing sick people and those who were tormented by unclean spirits, and they were all healed.

Peter healed them all.

Acts 28:9 So when this was done, the rest of those on the island who had diseases also came and were healed.

Paul healed them all.

That's the Biblical standard for the gift of healing.

The gift of healing was limited to Jesus, the Apostles, the seventy, and a few close associates like Phillip. It was never meant for the purpose that is wrongly being taught today. It was meant to confirm the message and the messenger. We now have the faith once for all delivered. People are quick to point out that healing and miracles are listed as gifts for the Church in some books from the Bible, but what they fail to realize is that Apostles are among those listed as the gifted because they were part of God's plan at that time and therefore also part of His Church.

Of the whole history of man in scripture, miracles through human agency were performed in three brief periods of time, each being about one hundred years. You can confirm this in your Bible if you do a study about when the miracles were happening. With the exception of a very few miracles like Samson's, the rest of them are clustered together in three one hundred year periods. In each of those one hundred year periods God was speaking to His people and that always resulted in what He said being recorded (His written Word). But now we have the faith that was once for all delivered.

Healing in the atonement.

Many charismatics claim that Isaiah 53 is proof that there is healing in the atonement, and therefore that results in the gift of healing for today. Let's take a closer look at Isaiah 53 and see what God was saying. The correct context of that chapter must be considered.

Isaiah1:4-6 Alas, sinful nation, A people laden with iniquity, A brood of evildoers, Children who are corrupters! They have forsaken the Lord, They have provoked to anger The Holy One of Israel, They have turned away backward. Why should you be stricken again? You will revolt more and more. The whole head is sick, And the whole heart faints. From the sole of the foot even to the head, There is no soundness in it, But wounds and bruises and putrefying sores; They have not been closed or bound up, Or soothed with ointment.

In Isaiah 1, God was using physical sickness as a analogy for spiritual sickness from sin when speaking of Israel. Considering that context, Isaiah 53 makes perfect sense.

Isaiah 53:3-6 He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

The right context doesn't allow modern charismatic interpretations of Isaiah 53.

Now...still not convinced?

1 Peter 2:24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness--by whose stripes you were healed.

The apostle Peter applies Isaiah 53:5 to salvation from sin.

Again, lets look further into the context,

1 Peter 2:25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

The expression healed (In 1 Peter 2:24) Means "to be forgiven." The phrase "but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls." shows what Peter means by "healed" in verse 24.

Now, to the question "Is there healing in the atonement"?

There is a sense in which physical healing took place in the atoning work of Christ, but that healing waits to be realized in the future. The physical part of salvation (a physical wholeness) is something we look forward to, not something we possess today.

Rev. 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.

The healing ministry of Jesus...

Matthew 8:16 When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick,

8:17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: "He Himself took our infirmities And bore our sicknesses."


Now, you say that this means we're to claim healing in the atonement, and in a sense that is correct. Other than the authentication of the message and the messenger, Jesus healed people to illustrate the healing in the glory to come. But that's not yet realized. If the healing of the atonement were fully realized now, no Christian would ever be sick or die. The atoning work of Christ spiritually transforms us now and will physically transform us in the future.

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Note: This is not to say that God cannot and does not heal today, even miraculously if He so desires. What it does mean is that He heals according to His will in answer to faithful prayer and no longer heals through the gift of healing (through human agency). It is not God's purpose that all Christians live in perfect health and many times God has a purpose in sickness. Never the less, it is all from God.

Miracle in the Biblical sense of the word...."a miracle is an extraordinary work of God that involves His immediate and unmistakable intervention in the physical realm in a way that contravenes natural processes.

Providence....."Providence is Gods faithful, moment-by-moment control over everything He has made to ensure that everything He has created achieves the end He has chosen."

Many people today confuse providence with miracles (In the Biblical sense of the word). I believe what is happening today is that people are being taught to see Him only in miracles, and as a result, they are trying to make everything into a miracle. But God does not need for us to try to make everything into a miracle to be glorified. He did not create the universe and wind it up like a top just let go, occasionally intervening with a miracle here and there. He created the universe and governs it by His providence. He is intimately involved in every aspect of our lives. All of it. We will glorify God most if we see this. God is sovereign over all things, not just in miracles.

The gift of healing is not for today. The Bible, and the [lack of] evidences prove this overwhelmingly.

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The Gift of Healing.

It's important to note that the gift of healing is healing through human agency. It's not when God sometimes answers faithful prayer, even sometimes miraculously. That's would be a redefinition of the gift of healing and is unbiblical. Everyone has the right to cry out in prayer and ask for anything. Sometimes God answers, sometimes, though very rarely, it can be miraculous. But mostly, those prayers, when answered, are answered through providence. That being non miraculous means. God providentially governs everything. It doesn't need to be a miracle to be from God.

Here is the Biblical gift of healing...

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Luke 4:40 When the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one of them and healed them.

Jesus healed them all.

Acts 5:12-16 And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. And they were all with one accord in Solomon's Porch. so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. Also a multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, bringing sick people and those who were tormented by unclean spirits, and they were all healed.

Peter healed them all.

Acts 28:9 So when this was done, the rest of those on the island who had diseases also came and were healed.

Paul healed them all.

That's the Biblical standard for the gift of healing.

The gift of healing was limited to Jesus, the Apostles, the seventy, and a few close associates like Phillip. It was never meant for the purpose that is wrongly being taught today. It was meant to confirm the message and the messenger. We now have the faith once for all delivered. People are quick to point out that healing and miracles are listed as gifts for the Church in some books from the Bible, but what they fail to realize is that Apostles are among those listed as the gifted because they were part of God's plan at that time and therefore also part of His Church.

Of the whole history of man in scripture, miracles through human agency were performed in three brief periods of time, each being about one hundred years. You can confirm this in your Bible if you do a study about when the miracles were happening. With the exception of a very few miracles like Samson's, the rest of them are clustered together in three one hundred year periods. In each of those one hundred year periods God was speaking to His people and that always resulted in what He said being recorded (His written Word). But now we have the faith that was once for all delivered.

Many charismatics claim that Isaiah 53 is proof that there is healing in the atonement, and therefore that results in the gift of healing for today. Let's take a closer look at Isaiah 53 and see what God was saying. The correct context of that chapter must be considered.

Isaiah1:4-6 Alas, sinful nation, A people laden with iniquity, A brood of evildoers, Children who are corrupters! They have forsaken the Lord, They have provoked to anger The Holy One of Israel, They have turned away backward. Why should you be stricken again? You will revolt more and more. The whole head is sick, And the whole heart faints. From the sole of the foot even to the head, There is no soundness in it, But wounds and bruises and putrefying sores; They have not been closed or bound up, Or soothed with ointment.

In Isaiah 1, God was using physical sickness as a analogy for spiritual sickness from sin when speaking of Israel. Considering that context, Isaiah 53 makes perfect sense.

Isaiah 53:3-6 He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

The right context doesn't allow modern charismatic interpretations of Isaiah 53.

Now...still not convinced?

1 Peter 2:24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness--by whose stripes you were healed.

The apostle Peter applies Isaiah 53:5 to salvation from sin.

Again, lets look further into the context,

1 Peter 2:25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

The expression healed (In 1 Peter 2:24) Means "to be forgiven." The phrase "but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls." shows what Peter means by "healed" in verse 24.


Now, to the question "Is there healing in the atonement"?

There is a sense in which physical healing took place in the atoning work of Christ, but that healing waits to be realized in the future. The physical part of salvation (a physical wholeness) is something we look forward to, not something we possess today.

Rev. 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.

The healing ministry of Jesus...

Matthew 8:16 When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick,

8:17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: "He Himself took our infirmities And bore our sicknesses."


Now, you say that this means we're to claim healing in the atonement, and in a sense that is correct. Other than the authentication of the message and the messenger, Jesus healed people to illustrate the healing in the glory to come. But that's not yet realized. If the healing of the atonement were fully realized now, no Christian would ever be sick or die. The atoning work of Christ spiritually transforms us now and will physically transform us in the future.

Note: This is not to say that God cannot and does not heal today, even miraculously if He so desires. What it does mean is that He heals according to His will in answer to faithful prayer and no longer heals through the gift of healing (through human agency). It is not God's purpose that all Christians live in perfect health and many times God has a purpose in sickness. Never the less, it is all from God.

Miracle in the Biblical sense of the word...."a miracle is an extraordinary work of God that involves His immediate and unmistakable intervention in the physical realm in a way that contravenes natural processes.

Providence....."Providence is Gods faithful, moment-by-moment control over everything He has made to ensure that everything He has created achieves the end He has chosen."

Many people today confuse providence with miracles (In the Biblical sense of the word). I believe what is happening today is that people are being taught to see Him only in miracles, as a result, they are trying to make everything into a miracle. But God does not need for us to try to make everything into a miracle to be glorified. He did not create the universe and wind it up like a top just let go, occasionally intervening with a miracle here and there. He created the universe and governs it by His providence. He is intimately involved in every aspect of our lives. All of it. We will glorify God most if we see this. God is sovereign over all things, not just in miracles.

The gift of healing is not for today. The Bible, and the [lack of] evidences prove this overwhelmingly.

Dave
"The Charismatic movement gained credence and initial acceptance by claiming their gifts were the same as those in Acts. For most people that is why they are credible today." That is, because most people believe the Charismatic movement offers the promise of the same gifts described in the New Testament. "Yet," he says, "Now, when challenged by the obvious fact that their gifts don't meet Biblical standards, one of their primary defenses is to claim that their gifts are not the same as those gifts in the New Testament. Faced with the facts, they have had to revoke the very foundation of their original reason for existence." (Thomas Edgar )That's a pretty devastating admission, really. But many Charismatics have had to come to grips with it and have admitted it."

Act 3:6-8 Then Peter said, "Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk." And he took him by the right hand and lifted him up, and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. So he, leaping up, stood and walked and entered the temple with them--walking, leaping, and praising God.

That man wasn't told "if you have enough faith". He wasn't even asking to be healed or expecting it. Peter didn't ask God to answer his prayer. He proclaimed it, it happened. It always happened. None were turned away because they didn't have enough faith. Nobody asked for this in prayer. This is the healing through human agency. Peter had that authority. Please show me the person producing those results. All were healed (OP).

Mark 16:15-20 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.

Do you know who did this? The ones mentioned in the OP. Do you know who didn't do this. Not one today. Not one.

That's why they are called the signs of the Apostles.

1 Corinthians 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds.

Hebrews 2:3-4 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?

Even Jesus was confirmed by these same things

Acts 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know--

The signs confirmed the word and the person speaking it. No new revelation today. We have the faith once for all delivered.
 
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If anyone wants a proper understanding of what the gifts of healings does, I already posted a scriptural write up in our Spirit-filled section on here a couple years back. Plenty of information beyond the non-Holy Spirit-filled cessationist viewpoint here in this thread. There's no sense of me repeating it again when I can just provide a link....

 
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Todays modern faith healers put the burden on the believer in every way, removing it from themselves. In that way, when they run short of the matter, the blame goes to the person who wanted the healing, and not the faith healer. You just didn't have enough faith, a pure faith, is implied. You're going to hear stories like 'There's great things happening over there'. The bottom line is this, it's not happening. When they can walk into a hospital and heal everybody, that's what the gift of healing does. These faith healers will take whatever scraps they can gather and rob God of His glory. That means if God does heal one person in answer to faithful prayer, even miraculously, these false faith healers will use that to steal money from sick people and devour widows houses. It's shameful. That's what scam artists do. They get you when you're desperate. That's when the con works.

To anyone claiming the opposite, ask them to give the name and address of his faith healer so all the sick in that town can go and be healed. They won't, because it's not true.

Mark 17-20 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.

1)they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

This is the definition from Scripture of the gift of healing. It's the Biblical definition. Lay hands on the sick, and the sick are healed. I even gave an example by Peter in Acts 3:6-8. But this Biblical definition does not match the idea that todays faith healers that claim you just need a pure faith. I don't see that idea in this Scripture.

2) signs

This gift of healing was categorized by God as a sign gift. This was the primary purpose of all those things listed above.

3) the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs.

This is the purpose of that sign.

Anyone teaching that you must have a pure faith to be healed, which is not what that passage teaches, would also need to come to one of two conclusions. Either one, everyone, and I mean ever single one of them who had a 'pure faith' and was healed, then ran short of the matter in old age, because we all get old, get sick and pass on. Or two, the purpose of the gift of healing was meant primarily for a sign, as that passage states. When the need for the sign had passed, then all the benefits that flowed from that gift passed with it.

I went to a Pentecostal church for years. This Idea that is you just have to have enough faith is extremely destructive. It's not even the gift of healing. While people are plowing forward to do great things for God, they never look back at the wake of destruction left behind. I seen lives and faith destroyed from that doctrine. It makes promises that God never made. A man in my church was diagnosed with cancer. Him and his wife prayed fervently both day and night for two years believing. After two years her husband died. She walked. Not just from that church, but I think from everything. No one knows for sure because she doesn't talk to anyone from that church anymore. How shameful. It left her with only conclusion possible by that false doctrine, that her and her husbands faith wasn't good/pure enough. Unfortunately, this is not unique, but is actually the norm. It's almost Manson family like the way that these members promote these things because I know they lie. I've seen it. They all say that great things are happening over there. They are just repeating what they heard. Repeating Charlie.

We all have the right to cry out to God and ask for healing in prayer when we need it. Sometimes, it's His will, and sometimes it's not His will. It can be miraculous, but mostly, it's going to be through natural means, providence. You don't need a healing guru to do that.

Jesus said that we only need the faith of a mustard seed to move mountains. That's strange because in Charismatic and Pentecostal churches, they say the opposite.

The gift of healing was a sign. It was a sign to confirm the those mentioned in the OP and their message. It healed everybody all the time. The only qualification one needed to be healed was to be sick.

I'll read about it in the papers when it happens. Anyone making claims about great things happening over there, it's a scam. Save you're money, Joyce Meyer doesn't need another 70 million dollar jet.


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Except in Nazareth, Matthew 13:58: "And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith" The gifts of healing have not ceased. For every Joyce Meyer there are thousands of others that sometimes do manifest various gifts of the Spirit including healings and miracles. The reason evangelists like Rheinhard Bonnke got millions of people coming to a single crusade was not because of his preaching ability but attributed to the power of the Holy Spirit. The gifts did not cease, because the needs never ceased. Deliverance, Healings, Miracles, Prophecies, all coexist with one purpose in mind, to glorify God. Sure there are some who are doing it for the money, but some are not. I admit that true miracles are hard to come by especially in Western countries. But God sure does show up where people are desperate. I have seen too much to deny such power and gifts of the spirit are not available.
Yes, I can sympathize and even respect those that suggest otherwise. Salvation is still the greatest gift of all but offerring prayer for healing, to revieve the baptism of the Holy Spirit. to step up when God desires to speak a personal prophecy. All those things are more than possible. The early and latter rains have not escaped or fled. To those that align themselves with God, desire earnestly the gifts and are free in the Holy Spirit, they are not just possible, they are a reality. When you see an arm or leg grow in person you will know, when you see a specific word given that results in a salvation you will know, when you see a crowd in a church or crusade crying to God as the Holy Spirit convicts you will know. As I said before, there is no definitive teaching on any of the gifts of the Spirit. Gifts of healing, like various kinds of tongues are plural. Some other gifts like faith are singular. Even nuances like that show our dependence on God for filling in the blanks as to what that means. The full on reality is that if a Christian has love they will seek solutions for others that glorify God and in some cases that will result in God manifesting to bring relief, hope, encouragement and an encounter that will be lasting and signfiicant. Admittedly, many don't need or want that but for those that do there is no limit. God bless and thanks for starting what I would deem a fruitful discussion even though few agree on many of these points. May God bring truth to all of us.
 
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Hey @Richard T

In Matthew 13:58, it's not a lack of faith, but rejection of Jesus. That's unbelief. No faith. Two different things. Look at the context Matthew 13:53-58

Seeking a sign is not exemplifying faith, it's exemplifying a lack of faith. Who else seeks after a sign? Todays Pentecostals and Charismatics. That's a lack of faith. What is Jesus' response to this lack of faith? He said it's a sign of a "wicked and adulterous generation". Matthew 12: 38-39.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

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The gifts did not cease, because the needs never ceased. Deliverance, Healings, Miracles, Prophecies, all coexist with one purpose in mind, to glorify God. Sure there are some who are doing it for the money, but some are not. I admit that true miracles are hard to come by especially in Western countries. But God sure does show up where people are desperate. I have seen too much to deny such power and gifts of the spirit are not available.

True.

Christianity is based around the faith of The Son of GOD, not personal belief. Those people who have His faith will pursue things of faith in their walk with Him. Those who don't will most likely rail against it.

A few generations back, when people depended more on GOD, we had all sorts of documented miracles and such, it's just much harder nowadays with the growth of sin and satan fighting much harder against those of us who wish to climb Spiritually. The last thing satan needs down here is another person The Father can operate through like HE did with Jesus.
 
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Just wanted to add another problem that I see with this idea about a "pure faith" that the faith healers require. That would mean that children who are incapable of coming to a saving faith are either all disqualified, or, that qualification doesn't apply and all are qualified. If the latter were true, that would mean that every child should be healed by the faith healers.

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2. THE HYPOCRISY OF MODERN HEALERS

The question I hear all the time is: "Well, how do you explain what goes on?" All right, let me ask you a question. Since none of the healers can heal with a word or a touch, instantaneously, totally, everybody, organic diseases, and raise the dead; since none of them have received the gift of healing from Jesus or the Apostles; since the Bible is complete, the revelation has ceased, and more signs are no longer necessary; since the Word needs no confirmation -- it is sufficient that the man of God might be perfect; since their healings are based on faulty theology of the atonement and salvation; since they disallow God His own purposes in having some people remain sick; since their personal lives are not known to manifest the fruit of the Spirit; since so many tricks, gimmicks, and special effects are often used; since the evidence is weak, unsupported, and so-called testimonies exaggerated; since they do not go to where the sick are, as Jesus did; since they cannot heal all who come to them; and since their healings can have other possible explanations rather than that God has acted supernaturally; let me ask you this question: "How do you explain it?" You can't explain it biblically -- it is fraud, they are deceived. Maybe they don't know they are deceived; maybe they are honestly deceived, but they are deceived.

3. THE HEALING OF GOD

You say, "Are you saying God doesn't heal?" No. God answers prayer. Second, God heals in answer to prayer. God heals miraculously in answer to prayer. God heals miraculously in answer to prayer where there is faith. God heals miraculously in answer to prayer where there is faith to manifest His own glory. Don't say I don't believe God heals. I've seen Him heal. I've seen Him heal miraculously. I've seen Him heal miraculously to manifest His glory. I've seen Him heal miraculously to manifest His glory in response to faithful prayer. God heals. But, God does not heal everybody and God no longer heals through the apostolic gift of healing. That gift has ceased." J. MacArthur
 
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Was Jesus a faith healer?

No.

Jesus operated in the power of The Holy Spirit resting upon Him, so healing through Him was considered divine healing. His example is ours to emulate.

Faith healers seem to try and operate the gifts of healings on their own instead of The Holy Spirit operating the gift, hence why their results are very sporadic, and the results that Jesus had were always complete and powerful.

The gifts of healings is one of the greater gifts, and it must be operated by The Holy Spirit for the proper results.
 
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My experience with healing thus far was the result of prayers at the Holy Spirit's behest. I don't agree with the laying of hands for myself or household and I've seen the results of spiritual transference in a church. They all had the same maladies and it was very unsettling.

I have a relative who spent years in pentecostal and charismatic circles and this subject is a source of contention within the family. They neglected medical intervention for serious conditions, stopped taking the medicine or reduced the dosage with the expectation of being healed. It hasn't occurred and they're a maelstrom of emotion and unrealized hope. They believed the same about another and it never came to pass.

I don't believe everyone gets a miracle or healed. It isn't due to a lack of faith, sin or absence of a healer either. Sometimes the plans and purposes of God have uncomfortable parts we didn't expect. And try as we might we can't get rid of them. We'll never have perfection on this plane and a lot people can't accept that. And for some, sickness is the cross they're called to bear.

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My experience with healing thus far was the result of prayers at the Holy Spirit's behest. I don't agree with the laying of hands for myself or household and I've seen the results of spiritual transference in a church. They all had the same maladies and it was very unsettling.

I have a relative who spent years in pentecostal and charismatic circles and this subject is a source of contention within the family. They neglected medical intervention for serious conditions, stopped taking the medicine or reduced the dosage with the expectation of being healed. It hasn't occurred and they're a maelstrom of emotion and unrealized hope. They believed the same about another and it never came to pass.

I don't believe everyone gets a miracle or healed. It isn't due to a lack of faith, sin or absence of a healer either. Sometimes the plans and purposes of God have uncomfortable parts we didn't expect. And try as we might we can't get rid of them. We'll never have perfection on this plane and a lot people can't accept that. And for some, sickness is the cross they're called to bear.

~bella
Thank you for giving others the opportunities for healing and sharing your views. I can understand your reservations. I don't think the gifts of healings were meant to heal everyone either. Some receive through anointing with oil as in James and most receive healing by faith given to an individual for a particular illness, from a spoken word of God.
Faith is elusive sometimes and I suppose there are lots of reasons, yet no one that fails to receive a healing should be thought of as any less of a Christian because in some instances their faith is strong in other ways as they hold dear their love of God in some of the worst possible circumstances.
 
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One of the more confusing factors for Christians is understanding the aspect of faith.

We don't live by faith, we live by the faith of The Son of GOD. Old translations are not helpful in this regard.

People can confuse personal belief for faith, and they try to act upon that personal belief instead of waiting for an answer from heaven first.
 
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Thank you for giving others the opportunities for healing and sharing your views. I can understand your reservations.

I don't have reservations about miracles or healings. I think a lot of people are afraid the Lord won't grant their request or they don't know how to stand or hear from Him. Nor do I believe another can ask something on my behalf that I can't obtain by doing the same. That's a reflection of my maturity and trust in God and why I specified myself in the reply.

But my relative believes it's a gift of faith that inspires my certainty and why I don't ask for prayer as well. I've never doubted He hears and will respond. It might take time but He answers eventually. They may be right and it might be a bit of both.

~bella
 
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