US Aid one year later

Always in His Presence · Dec 28, 2025

MarkSB said:
I'm not sure why you would choose to glorify pulling out the rug from underneath a lot of these programs

Great tribe speak - it just doesn't work with me.

If the programs were not filled with billions of dollars of fraud they would not have been cut. If the people controlling these funds were actually going to help these children and not funding extravagant life style or ridiculous programs that included the funds going to terrorist nations.

If you are saying nothing was wrong - you might need new news sources.

Servus · Dec 28, 2025

If that many people are so totally dependent on a single foreign nation to provide for their survival, a better global system needs to be put into action.

essentialsaltes · Dec 28, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
No, there is no evidence that exactly 600,000 children have died as a direct result of the end or severe cuts to USAID funding.

There is no evidence that exactly 14 million illegal aliens live in the United States. It could be 13 million; it could be 15 million, or some other number in that range.

It could be 500,000 dead children; it could be 700,000 dead children, or some other number in that range.

Nithavela · Dec 28, 2025

Maria Billingsley said:
If you are trying to be funny, it is in extreme bad taste.If you're serious , I don't even know what to say about that.

If you want my serious opinion, here it is:

No human life has unlimited value. We might be able to save someone's life by expending a great deal of ressources, but we do not have the ressources to save everyone's life, even if each individual life could be preserved.

In an ideal world, we would allocate our ressources to save and improve the lives of the largest number of people. But we as a species are incapable of such actions, so instead our decisions are guided by the forces of the market. And there's precious little money in healing the poor of africa. If thousands of humans in africa die from a virus, there isn't any real interest in developing a cure for that virus. But as soon as a westerner gets sick, watch the medical community fall over each other in developing a cure.

Of course that cure is only for the rich westerners. Even if pharmaceutical companies in africa could manufacture a generica, the western pharmaceutical companies move heaven and earth to prevent that, so that their profits aren't threatened.

But don't worry, because western lives are not with unlimited value. Just a lot more than africans. If a company can save ten million dollars for every person they kill and pay five million in fines and settlement money, they'll happily kill that person and pocket the difference.

Nithavela · Dec 28, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
There is no evidence that exactly 14 million illegal aliens live in the United States. It could be 13 million; it could be 15 million, or some other number in that range.

It could be 500,000 dead children; it could be 700,000 dead children, or some other number in that range.

You should get an AI overview that says that it's 600.000 dead children. perhaps that will be accepted.

rjs330 · Dec 28, 2025

We have no idea if that many deaths are actually happening as a direct result of the end of USAID. The article's only list models as evidence. Is the US really responsible for taking care of everyone else? We are responsible for letting people into this country who want in and it doesnt matter if tgey are legal or not. We are responsible for feeding them and taking care of them. We are responsible for seeing to it that rhe rest of the world is being fed and taken care of. We are responsible for defending the world as well.

It seems like our country is responsible for the world then. We have our own issues at home that need to be taken care of first. We cannot take care of the world.

Servus · Dec 29, 2025

rjs330 said:
We have no idea if that many deaths are actually happening as a direct result of the end of USAID. The article's only list models as evidence. Is the US really responsible for taking care of everyone else? We are responsible for letting people into this country who want in and it doesnt matter if tgey are legal or not. We are responsible for feeding them and taking care of them. We are responsible for seeing to it that rhe rest of the world is being fed and taken care of. We are responsible for defending the world as well.

Unfortunately a lot of people die on a regular basis in those countries. And it's hard to say if an extra "600,000" people died because the US is their only source for staying alive, or if it's more like the usual number being attributed to cuts in USAID.

rjs330 said:
It seems like our country is responsible for the world then. We have our own issues at home that need to be taken care of first. We cannot take care of the world.

And on top that there's strenuous objections to the US "interfering" with mismanaged or corrupt governments that can not or will not take care of their own people.

Larniavc · Dec 29, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
Great tribe speak - it just doesn't work with me.

How many dead kids would it take for it to work with you?

wing2000 · Dec 29, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
Great tribe speak - it just doesn't work with me.

If the programs were not filled with billions of dollars of fraud they would not have been cut. If the people controlling these funds were actually going to help these children and not funding extravagant life style or ridiculous programs that included the funds going to terrorist nations.

If you are saying nothing was wrong - you might need new news sources.

Tribe speak? It's clear who is exercising "Tribe speak" in this thread.

Always in His Presence · Dec 29, 2025

Larniavc said:
How many dead kids would it take for it to work with you?

How many billions of dollars of fraud would it take before is is not workable for you?

How many terrorist are too many who receive funding from IS Taxpayers? How many children died at their hands?

Are you in just as much mourning over the millions of children who die in the womb? Or just the deaths that suit a political purpose?

Where is the middle ground?

What is the United Nations doing to help?

Desk trauma · Dec 29, 2025

Yeah, where are the indictments for the billions if fraud?

Anything?

essentialsaltes · Dec 29, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
What is the United Nations doing to help?

What it can with the money it has, which comes from member countries. Usually.

President Trump’s fiscal year 2026 budget request would withhold the annual mandatory contribution to the U.N. regular budget; zero out peacekeeping funding from more than $1 billion; and slash voluntary U.N. contributions by $1.2 billion. Together, these cuts would amount to more than $4 billion—and that does not include planned cuts for refugee and migration funding that are often implemented by the United Nations.

Larniavc · Dec 29, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
How many billions of dollars of fraud would it take before is is not workable for you?

Kids are worth more than any money. So sad that needs to be explained on this, a Christian website.

Always in His Presence · Dec 29, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
2025 Major Bribery Scheme ($550+ Million): A USAID contracting officer (Roderick Watson) and three corporate executives pleaded guilty to a decade-long conspiracy involving bribery to steer at least 14 contracts worth over $550 million. The scheme included manipulating procurement for small business set-asides, with companies admitting liability for bribery and securities fraud. This led to the Small Business Administration rescinding USAID's contracting authority.

Syria Humanitarian Aid Diversion ($9 Million): A Syrian national (Mahmoud Al Hafyan) was charged with diverting over $9 million in USAID-funded food and medical aid intended for civilians to the Al-Nusrah Front, an al-Qaida affiliate. This involved falsifying records and inflating beneficiary numbers; it is described as one of the largest known diversions of USAID humanitarian aid.

Pakistan Power Grid Kickback Schemes: Multiple cases include a UK citizen (Stephen Paul Edmund Sutton) sentenced for conspiracy to obtain grant money through fraud and kickbacks on a USAID-funded power distribution program. Separate investigations led to convictions and debarments for kickbacks defrauding U.S.-funded grid projects.

Housing Allowance Fraud in South Africa: A project director (Ruth Chisina Mufute) was arrested for a nine-year scheme defrauding a USAID implementer of approximately $240,000 by falsely claiming rental housing allowances for a property she owned.

Internal USAID Employee Misconduct: A USAID Foreign Service Officer was terminated after an OIG investigation found submission of fraudulent travel receipts, military orders, and allowance claims, resulting in a bill of collections for over $4,000.

Syria Cross-Border Aid Collusion (Ongoing Since 2015): OIG investigations uncovered bid-rigging, bribery, kickbacks, and product substitution in humanitarian programs, leading to debarments, suspensions of funds ($239 million at one point), and terminations.

Desk trauma said:
Yeah, where are the indictments for the billions if fraud?

Anything?

Do try reading the OP - it helps so very much

Always in His Presence · Dec 29, 2025

Larniavc said:
Kids are worth more than any money. So sad that needs to be explained on this, a Christian website.

How convenient a diversion -

Are you as vocal about the millions being killed in their mothers womb for convenience sake? Or is that just an inconvenient truth that needs to be ignored.

Perhaps there is an atheist website that expresses the unborn's net worth?

Desk trauma · Dec 29, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
How convenient a diversion -

Are you as vocal about the millions being killed in their mothers womb for convenience sake? Or is that just an inconvenient truth that needs to be ignored.

Oh look, a topic that cannot be argued against due to site rules.

Always in His Presence said:
Perhaps there is an atheist website that expresses the unborn's net worth?

The net worth would be zero as they cannot have an income own assets nor incur debts.

Desk trauma · Dec 29, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
Do try reading the OP

I don't partake in slop.

partinobodycular · Dec 29, 2025

Servus said:
If that many people are so totally dependent on a single foreign nation to provide for their survival, a better global system needs to be put into action.

I do believe Darwin identified an excellent system. It's never failed yet.

Hans Blaster · Dec 29, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
Do try reading the OP - it helps so very much

The OP is a formatted list of claims, mostly without temporal reference. How are we to know if any of these are true or when they took place?

camille70 · Dec 29, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
How many billions of dollars of fraud would it take before is is not workable for you?

How many terrorist are too many who receive funding from IS Taxpayers? How many children died at their hands?

Are you in just as much mourning over the millions of children who die in the womb? Or just the deaths that suit a political purpose?

Where is the middle ground?

What is the United Nations doing to help?

You make an example out of fraudsters and recoup the money if possible. Put better systems in place to prevent fraud.

Its been said the GOP will let 99 people starve or stay homeless to stop one person who doesn't need help from getting food/shelter and dems will feed/shelter 99 people who don't need help so the one who does won't freeze and starve. I always thought that was an exaggeration, but now I'm not so sure. There needs to be balance of course, but if evil doers who will take advantage of a program is enough to stop all aid, then no one anywhere will ever get help because those folks are always present and looking to con. They are in government, Churches, charities and all sorts of businesses.

Regardless, I dont think you care about fraud. Trump has pardoned all sorts of fraudulent people and let them get out of paying restitution, yet has your support. He has himself been convicted of fraud , has paid millions to settle fraud cases with the Trump Foundation and his school, and can no longer operate charities in NY.

He's bombing supposed drug traffickers as a pretext to remove leadership in Venezuela but pardoning the other drug traffickers that were actually convicted. That whole "all authority is appointed by God" so don't question or oppose it only applies to republican presidents and Israel, I guess.

The GOP in general only cares about the rule of law when it's laws they agree with, laws that benefit them or to the degree laws can be weaponized against those they don't like.

So spare me the faux outrage because, IMO, you seem perfectly fine with waste, fraud and abuse if it's carried out by or for the right people.

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