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Should churches and pastors share politics from the pulpit? History of the Johnson Amendment

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1. they have the perfect standard for right vs wrong.
2. they have the Holy Spirit to guide them.
3. they have the body of Christ to help them in their discernment.
4. they have at least one gift of the Holy Spirit, which might include wisdom, knowledge, prophecy, discernment, etc
If that is the case why are they not putting forth their own group instead of following worldly man.
 
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If that is the case why are they not putting forth their own group instead of following worldly man.
Maybe because other Christians keep telling them to not talk about politics.
 
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Many think Christian’s should not have a voice in the public square which is wrong. But when one is preaching, it should not turn into a temporal worldly rant about temporal thingsbut eternal things. That is what that helps Christians discern and navigate in a dark world. Not taking heads from the pulpit. :praying:
 
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Many think Christian’s should not have a voice in the public square which is wrong. But when one is preaching, it should not turn into a temporal worldly rant about temporal thingsbut eternal things. That is what that helps Christians discern and navigate in a dark world. Not taking heads from the pulpit. :praying:
I presume you meant "talking heads."

But "taking heads" also works.
 
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Because not everyone knows when a candidate promotes murder, theft, adultery and disrespect to parents. But even if they do know, it is not a problem to point out sin, unless you reject John the baptist's and Jesus' messages about politicians.

It appears you are suggesting that a pastor should promote or endorse a political candidate. If your pastor were to endorse a Democrat politician for the 2028 presidential election, would you continue attending that church?
 
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Many think Christian’s should not have a voice in the public square which is wrong. But when one is preaching, it should not turn into a temporal worldly rant about temporal thingsbut eternal things. That is what that helps Christians discern and navigate in a dark world. Not taking heads from the pulpit. :praying:

It appears you are suggesting that a pastor should promote or endorse a political candidate. If your pastor were to endorse a Democratic politician for the 2028 presidential election, would you continue attending that church?
 
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It appears you are suggesting that a pastor should promote or endorse a political candidate. If your pastor were to endorse a Democrat politician for the 2028 presidential election, would you continue attending that church?
Maybe. Depends on what that candidate endorses. Murder, theft, adultery, homosexuality? Or kindness, diligence, patience, peace?

Why do you ask?
 
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Maybe. Depends on what that candidate endorses. Murder, theft, adultery, homosexuality? Or kindness, diligence, patience, peace?

Why do you ask?
Which one endorsed kindness, diligence, patience, and peace?
 
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Maybe. Depends on what that candidate endorses. Murder, theft, adultery, homosexuality? Or kindness, diligence, patience, peace?

Why do you ask?

Ultimately, it is not the pastor’s endorsement that will influence your decision; rather, you will choose which candidate to support based on specific criteria. Therefore, it is unnecessary to be concerned with whether or not the pastor endorses a candidate or discusses politics. As long as the pastor teaches in the church from a biblical perspective—covering topics such as morality, sanctity of life or marriage, homosexuality, loving your neighbor, loving your enemies, caring for widows, and supporting orphans—you will be equipped to determine whom to support.
 
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Which one endorsed kindness, diligence, patience, and peace?
They will until they get elected. Then its back to self-interest. Mr Smith Goes to Washington caught on because people love fantasy to escape real life.
 
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As long as the pastor teaches in the church from a biblical perspective—covering topics such as morality, sanctity of life or marriage, homosexuality, loving your neighbor, loving your enemies, caring for widows, and supporting orphans—you will be equipped to determine whom to support.
Even though God says to support His Kingdom over mankind's? I realize the Church failed Him, taking what Jesus refused in the desert, but that does not give individuals the right to follow suit.
 
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They will until they get elected. Then its back to self-interest. Mr Smith Goes to Washington caught on because people love fantasy to escape real life.
I can't recall either candidate endorsing "kindness, diligence, patience, and peace" even during the race.

Jimmy Carter may have.
 
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Ultimately, it is not the pastor’s endorsement that will influence your decision; rather, you will choose which candidate to support based on specific criteria.
If I respect my pastor (hopefully we all will), then his opinion would be valuable in making my decision. As fallable men, pastors should not be wholly relied upon, as you stated correctly below.
Therefore, it is unnecessary to be concerned with whether or not the pastor endorses a candidate or discusses politics.
Unnecessary? Were we talking about necessity of candidate endorsement? I thought the topic was about whether politics (governmental topics) should be spoken of in churches. Such goes way beyond mere political endorsements, as I hope you would realize.
As long as the pastor teaches in the church from a biblical perspective—covering topics such as morality, sanctity of life or marriage, homosexuality, loving your neighbor, loving your enemies, caring for widows, and supporting orphans—you will be equipped to determine whom to support.
I agree, but if he does, is it a problem if he also tells his congregants which candidate he feels most closely aligns to the principles he is teaching them?
 
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I can't recall either candidate endorsing "kindness, diligence, patience, and peace" even during the race.

Jimmy Carter may have.
Are we talking about a particular office? Certainly the question goes well beyond a single office, don't you think?
 
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Even though God says to support His Kingdom over mankind's? I realize the Church failed Him, taking what Jesus refused in the desert, but that does not give individuals the right to follow suit.
The Church failed Him? What church are you speaking of?
 
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Jimmy Carter may have.
Yes he was a good example of one who tried, as in Canada, we had a pastor named Tommy Douglas who brought about, while in Govt., equal access to healthcare for all. He was a true man of the people. But neither were able to change the beast in which they worked. It seems God is more interested in this life, that individuals will accomplish more within the whole than the whole itself. That is until his Kingdom comes and his Will will be done in earth.
 
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I agree, but if he does, is it a problem if he also tells his congregants which candidate he feels most closely aligns to the principles he is teaching them?
I have a problem with that, and I would not attend that church, if that's the kind of church you want, it's a free country—you can go there.
 
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Yes he was a good example of one who tried, as in Canada, we had a pastor named Tommy Douglas who brought about, while in Govt., equal access to healthcare for all. He was a true man of the people. But neither were able to change the beast in which they worked. It seems God is more interested in this life, that individuals will accomplish more within the whole than the whole itself. That is until his Kingdom comes and his Will will be done in earth.
The part I emphasized, for sure.
 
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