Please : Do they know of which astrological sign was Jesus ?

peter2 said:

Thank you, jacks
I didn't know what you call a sun sign is simply what i call a zodiac sign

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So you are wondering if Jesus was an Aquarius or whichever? If so there's a general consensus that Jesus was actually born in the Spring. So perhaps Taurus. I know that much because I'm a Taurus. My birthday often falls near to or even on Easter.

peter2 said:

Hello, Servus, yes i am. I was questionning, may be unrelevantly, whether the zodiac signs were already believed to have an influence over the personalities of people. Which, if yes, might very hypothetically have influenced Jesus personality

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I would say that Jesus is the master over such things and therefore he would not have been shaped or influenced by them. All things were made by him and through him John 1:3

Any influence from elemental spirits (including celestial) is subject to the curse on creation and can't be trusted. Jesus could only do what He saw the father doing.

peter2 said:

No, not specifically.
And i've no information about how this star was considered by the wise men, but these of the Scriptures

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How does one follow a star that rises in the East and sets in the West?

peter2 said:

Hello Akita
I don't precisely know
I suppose sailors know, but i'm a continental.
I happen, yet, to have directed myself at night with the evening star and the rotating constallations around. But my directing was not very precise

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Knowledge of movement and time certainly helps

The topic you want is the mazzaroth not astrology. You need the astronomical coordinates not the ones based on fixed systems astrologers used which isn't a true snapshot of the heavens. There's a reference to the mazzaroth in Job and Joseph's dream about his parents and brothers is pointing to the zodiac. It's been perverted by divination but the signs tell the story of Christ that begins with Virgo (The Virgin). If you've read the story of Abraham's birth in the apocrypha you'll see a similar tale regarding the stars and what they foretold.

I can't tell you when Christ was born nor have I explored the subject personally. Astronomy was part of timekeeping and those gifted in the topic were adept at reading the times and seasons. Like the wise men in the new testament and the sons of Issachar from the 12 tribes. Most believers don't delve into the subject and it often arises when you study the biblical calendar and align your days to its frequency.

The Sons of Issachar are a notable group within the tribes of Israel, recognized for their unique qualities and contributions to the nation. They are descendants of Issachar, the fifth son of Jacob and Leah, and one of the twelve tribes of Israel. The tribe of Issachar is often associated with wisdom, understanding, and discernment, particularly in the context of interpreting the times and seasons.

But in respect to your question, Christ is known as The Lion of Judah which is usually associated with Leo. If you looked at the reference astrologically the time is wrong. Using 2025 as an example, the sun entered Leo on August 11th and didn't leave until September 17th. The planets don't spend the same time in every sign. That's why you have to address it astronomically instead.

The winter reference doesn't lead me to December 25th either. From an energetic perspective, I think Ophiuchus is more likely. It was merged into Scorpio by astrologers but it's a constellation in the galatic center. The window is very short which might explain the wise men's haste. The sun is in Ophiuchus for 18 to 19 days depending on your source. The moon enters that space 2 to 3 days each month. It's located two degrees from the end of the Milky Way at a transformative point in the sky.

If I was looking for someone who'd change the world or heal it I'd look at Ophiuchus. There's Babylonian references to it and earlier ones too. Planets, stars and constellations emit an energy and serve a purpose. But they weren't designed for worship or predictions in the manner we see today through horoscopes. They bear witness to God's divine order.

You can't separate His divinity in your question or forget they're subject to Him not the other way around.

~bella

peter2 said:

Please, since you seem to know a bit the subject of mazzaroth, or of whatever pagan beliefs that might have surrounded Jesus's childhood (in the like manner as Santa claus or astrological prediction of nowadays), would you find plausible Jesus could have felt the duty to overcome this belief for (and in) his own person ?

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He followed the directives He received and didn't deviate. Belief in God addresses the rest. Not all at once of course. But if the seed is germinated the truth will come forth.

peter2 said:

If yes, would he have coped with it rather through accomplishing and overtaking their supposed influence over its fate, through his breaking free of this shackle-beliefs, or conversely through his denying their influence.
My questionning stems from an hypothesis of mine, that astrological beliefs have a spiritual imprisonning effect over these that believe in them. Now, the Son of Man is also called liberator

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Astrology is a minor player in the wider web of deceptive teachings. Most people never move beyond reading their horoscopes or acknowledging their sun sign. They can't expound on the planets, houses, signs, etc. The majority have never seen their chart and wouldn't know the difference between the ones provided free of charge and an astronomical blueprint.

Where people go awry is according more importance to created things than they should. Including the above, elements, nature and so on. It serves a purpose but that isn't revealed to all and the why is important. What are you going to do with the information? That's the Lord's concern. Will it draw people to Christ or send them elsewhere?

We have to be equally mindful of the audience. Everything we learn or experience isn't meant for all ears. I was very intentional in my response. I wanted to answer the question but had toe a line. Everyone isn't in the same place spiritually who's reading the post and you don't want to lead them astray.

The spiritual problem with astrology is primarily related to divination. When you're reading your horoscope you're aligning your life to someone else's conclusion and don't how they got it. The ones most susceptible are those who seek answers everywhere but the Lord including christians. They may not consult an astrologer but they're chasing prophets and prophecies instead.

~bella

peter2 said:

To answer your question, i shan't consider the information a truth as valuable as these of the Gospel. If i besides agree to consider it a truth (sorry for my prudence), i shall classify it as a minor information for me. As for other readers, i don't know how to prevent them to evaluate it as a major one.
Your question also gives me the feeling Jesus is replying me (From Jn 21 : 22) : "(...) what is that to thee? follow thou me."

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It wasn't directed to you personally but it's something you'll rarely hear discussed in respect to knowledge or gifts for that matter. Intention is really important. "For God's gifts and His call are irrevocable." That's where the how comes in. Will we use them to serve the kingdom or ourselves for selfish reasons?

Your interest in the subject may be the result of spiritual concerns or curiosity. The former may lead you to explore the topic to stand against it. While another does the same for special insight. Sometimes the Lord lays burdens on our heart He's preparing us to solve. Most people assume that christians don't get involved with this. But I've had people they've visited psychics, had their palms read, follow their horoscope and so on.

You may want to ask the Lord how to serve the kingdom in relation to this. How do you combat the deception and who is your flock? The message you'll deliver to believers differs from what you'd say to unsaved people.

peter2 said:

if Jesus did struggle to escape a fate foretold by soothsayers or whoever else, the information may be of assistance as well (? Not sure, yet)

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He didn't struggle to escape His fate and the only the Lord could remove the cup and He didn't. He was destined to be a lamb.

~bella

Contrary to the ugly comments on here, the Jews did recognize the zodiac signs. They used them for purposes other than astrology. The Essenes, known for being strict observers of the law, have an entire document (4Q318 in the Dead Sea Scrolls) dedicated to the passage of the moon through the zodiac.

As for what zodiac sign Jesus was, that's a debatable point. It really depends on when he was born, and there are as many opinions on that as there are days in the year. Personally, I think Jesus was born in late May. That would make him a Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, or Virgo by his moon sign, which was the method used in that era. His sun sign would have been Taurus.

I don't advocate astrology, but in a strict calendar sense, that the answer I can offer.

peter2 said:

Thank you again
If however you know a little about astrology, and if my following question is not a too close one, do you think the beliefs in astrology might imprison some person's minds through a formating or counterformating them.

For instance,
i just made a google search on wikipedia for "gemini"
And, a french astrologer is there reported to suggest that Gemini natives tend not to take things seriously and not to take themselves seriously.
Do you think, as i assume, Gemini natives feel imprisonned up until they find a balance to look for where lies things values or theirselves values ?
If yes, how do they overcome this load on their minds ?

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The personality profiles of the various signs are commercialized modern garbage. In the interest of full objectivity in my studies, I have studied astrology, whether uptight Christians like that or not. And I can tell you that there is no fixed guide that is all-encompassing for people born under a specific sun sign. Every horoscope is unique, and involves the sun sign, moon sign, the ascendant (the sign on the horizon at the time of birth), the position of the superior planets (in modern astrology they factor in the positions of the outer planets as well), the juxtaposition of one planet versus another, dominant houses, negative houses, etc. There are even rules for whether a planet is before or after a specific star in the sky.

The interpretation of these many factors is then set against Greek versus Babylonian versus modern interpretation of the effect these luminary positions have. And depending on whether you're using real positions or fixed positions, that changes things as well. A modern day Scorpio, for example, is not actually a Scorpio. Due to the precession of the equinox, a person born in November is actually a Libra. I was born on November 22, 1971. That's a classic Scorpio/Sagittarius cusp. But the actual sun position on that date was about 27° in Libra.

So, when they apply the character traits for the different signs, these traits are those established nearly two thousand years ago. The traits of a 2000-years-ago Scorpio now belong to the modern-day Sagittarius, since the signs have shifted.

Ergo, if there's any truth to the horoscope notions, you aren't actually tied to the Gemini personality traits. You aren't a true Gemini. You're technically a Taurus by the strict position of the sun.

As to whether astrology works, I expect that it does. The Bible wouldn't prohibit it if it was just a fool's notion. It's equated to sorcery. Understanding it has its practical academic value. But living by it is something I wouldn't advise.