God’s Politics

BCP1928 said:

Ah, yes--the innate superiority of Western Christian Culture. You expect Somalis to "assimilate" to that nonsense? You can't even get all of your native born fellow citizens to buy it.

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No I expect Somalis to assimilate to Western Culture. Never said anything about Western Christian culture. In fact I brought up Denmark and specifically mentioned the fact that is not a Western Christian culture country. Yet you decided to make a false claim about what I posted. You do that a LOT. I really wish you would stop. Its disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst.

rjs330 said:

No I expect Somalis to assimilate to Western Culture.

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OK, call it "Westen Culture" if you like.

rjs330 said:

Never said anything about Western Christian culture. In fact I brought up Denmark and specifically mentioned the fact that is not a Western Christian culture country.

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Whatever you call it, it's hard to believe that the Danish culture was immune from what was going on in European culture over the past many centuries.

rjs330 said:

Yet you decided to make a false claim about what I posted. You do that a LOT. I really wish you would stop. Its disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst.

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The only "claim" that I made about what you posted was that it was nonsense. But you never answered my question, do you expect Somalis (or anybody) to believe that nonsense? Is that what "assimilate" means to you?

BCP1928 said:

Ah, yes--the innate superiority of Western Christian Culture. You expect Somalis to "assimilate" to that nonsense? You can't even get all of your native born fellow citizens to buy it.

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Yes, I do expect Somalis to assimilate. You got a different boat for them to assimilate into? Or do you think everyone's culture is equally valid?

Back about 2001 in Nebraska, a couple of Muslims were under prosecution, one man having sold his two daughters, aged 12 and 14 to another man as wives. The two men's defense was that they were practicing their culture, and that they had a right to practice their culture. The Nebraskan jury disagreed.

How about you? Would you disagree? Or would you prefer they assimilate into Anglo-American culture...at least on that particular aspect?

"Diversity is out strength" is largely a self-serving political lie. A diverse intake is beneficial, but nobody really wants cultural diversity to remain diverse.

RDKirk said:

Yes, I do expect Somalis to assimilate. You got a different boat for them to assimilate into? Or do you think everyone's culture is equally valid?

Back about 2001 in Nebraska, a couple of Muslims were under prosecution, one man having sold his two daughters, aged 12 and 14 to another man as wives. The two men's defense was that they were practicing their culture, and that they had a right to practice their culture. The Nebraskan jury disagreed.

How about you? Would you disagree? Or would you prefer they assimilate into Anglo-American culture...at least on that particular aspect?

"Diversity is out strength" is largely a self-serving political lie. A diverse intake is beneficial, but nobody really wants cultural diversity to remain diverse.

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Theres good diversity and theres bad. And Im not just talking about tasty "ethnic" restaurants etc.

Abject conformity is stagnation, which manifests in every way: art, tech, science, even personal experience of the world, approaches to nature, and so on.

durangodawood said:

Theres good diversity and theres bad. And Im not just talking about tasty "ethnic" restaurants etc.

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I'd argue that you are mostly talking about ethnic restaurants.

durangodawood said:

Abject conformity is stagnation, which manifests in every way: art, tech, science, even personal experience of the world, approaches to nature, and so on.

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Surface Culture: Observable and palpable elements such as food, dress, music, dialect, and holidays. They are characterized by low emotional resistance to alternatives. Accepting alternatives does not create great anxiety. I can easily prefer lasagna to chitterlings without feeling that I've "abandoned" my own culture. Maintaining diversity in surface culture causes very little social disruption.

Shallow Culture is made up of the unspoken rules around everyday social interactions and norms: Courtesy, attitudes toward elders, nature or friendship, concepts of timeliness, personal space, rules about eye contact or appropriate touching. This level has a strong emotional charge. Interpretation of certain behaviors can manifest as being friendly, hostile, disrespectful, or offensive. Social violation of these norms can cause mistrust, distress, or social friction. This is where fist fights occur.

Deep Culture is the tacit knowledge and unconscious assumptions that govern world view. They include cosmology, morality, spirituality, health, and theories of group harmony. Deep culture governs how we approve of new information (epistemology). While shallow culture pertains to how moral values are socially presented, deep culture pertains to how those moral values are characterized. Deep culture defines right/wrong, respect/disrespect, honor/dishonor. This is also where we can run into deep social discord when cultures clash with long-term and extreme physical violence at the deep level. This is where riots occur.

RDKirk said:

Yes, I do expect Somalis to assimilate. You got a different boat for them to assimilate into? Or do you think everyone's culture is equally valid?

Back about 2001 in Nebraska, a couple of Muslims were under prosecution, one man having sold his two daughters, aged 12 and 14 to another man as wives. The two men's defense was that they were practicing their culture, and that they had a right to practice their culture. The Nebraskan jury disagreed.

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As they should. I suppose you are just insinuating that a "liberal" would accept that defense. Keep in mind that I live in a state where the Democrats had to work pretty hard recently to get marriageable age raised from 14 to 16.

RDKirk said:

How about you? Would you disagree? Or would you prefer they assimilate into Anglo-American culture...at least on that particular aspect?

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I expect them to obey the law. That's all. "Assimilated" means to become integrated into a different culture, group, or society by adopting its customs, language, and attitudes. It really is a separate issue

RDKirk said:

"Diversity is out strength" is largely a self-serving political lie. A diverse intake is beneficial, but nobody really wants cultural diversity to remain diverse.

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Only if you are concerned with protecting what you call anglo-American culture--and I'm not necessarily saying that's the wrong thing to do--but just trying to find out what conservatives think that is. We are in a culture war, after all, so there is obviously some diversity of opinion.

rjs330 said:

No its not. It's painting an accurate picture of who the natives were.

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Accept for the child sacrifices, you're describing the Europeans that came here.

Yarddog said:

Accept for the child sacrifices, you're describing the Europeans that came here.

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Thats partially true. And I have pointed that out. That ALL of mankind has been a conquering group throughout history. It is the way of mankind. The Euopeans conquered a backward savage people. So?

The natives were more uncivilized and savage than the Europeans. That doesn't mean the Europeans did not come and take over the land by force. They did. However the natives were no better. And I. Someways they were worse. Ultimately the European take over of the land we call the USA was a boon to the world. It provided a place where innovation grew and flourished that helped all of mankind.

The natives here had nothing to offer but more savage tribal war and violence.

They had nothing better to offer the world.