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So says Paul.
And to my knowledge there is no passage where Jesus asked Paul to write anything.
When one is trying to get to the heart of what Jesus taught and spoke, it's usually best to quote those words attributed to him.
Paul was taught by Christ. Peter was taught by Christ and affirmed Paul's teachings were scripture. So, they are from God himself.
 
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Yes and you CHOOSE to give. You are not forced to give. Theee is a VERY large difference in my decision to give and the government forcing it. You see if I believed my church was wasting my money I would stop giving. On the one off or rare circumstance that I may disagree, I can live with that.

With the givernment the waste, fraud and abuse of the system is so rampant that it money is being wasted by the billions. Its not the same. And I cannot decide not to pay.

Its not remotely the same thing.
Of course, In your case you could leave the church, or you could stay and work toward electing new Deacons.
 
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Paul was taught by Christ. Peter was taught by Christ and affirmed Paul's teachings were scripture. So, they are from God himself.
As I said, that is your opinion about Scripture and you are welcome to it. Other Christians' mileage may vary. They have opinions, too, just as good as yours. Remember, you don't own the Bible and aren't in a position to dictate to others what they must believe about it.
 
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Of course, In your case you could leave the church, or you could stay and work toward electing new Deacons.
Or I could stay and not give anymore money. See, its a choice. One we don't have with the government.

And with the governemnt no matter how often we vote for new representatives. Nothing changes. Thats the difference between rhat and a local church. Volunteer giving. And the ability to actually make a change. With an all encompassing federal government we have neither the ability to voluntarily give nor make any significant alterations. Since we did vote for someone to do that and he got sued six ways to Sunday to stop going after the fraud waste and abuse.

Its something the progressives love to do. Totally waste money so they can feel better.
 
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As I said, that is your opinion about Scripture and you are welcome to it.
I never shared an opinion about it, just quoted what it says.
They have opinions, too, just as good as yours.
Opinions are useless where the scriptures are concerned. The truth of God's word is not opinion based. That is what is wrong when it comes to some of these topics. This is how we get the cherry picking. It is my opinion that I like this scripture so I will use it and I dont like that scripture so I won't use that one. We see a lot of "I believe is this scripture, but I don't believe in that one".

If you are doing that you are wrong. Yes, I believe in ALL of it. The parts I like, the parts I dont like.
Remember, you don't own the Bible and aren't in a position to dictate to others what they must believe about it.

God owns the Bible. Its His word. He is rhe one that says we must believe in it. ALL of it. Not just the parts we want to while rejecting the parts we don't want to believe.
 
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God owns the Bible. Its His word. He is rhe one that says we must believe in it. ALL of it. Not just the parts we want to while rejecting the parts we don't want to believe.

So much for the dietary laws, mixed fiber clothes, and gathering sticks on Saturdays being "nailed to the cross".
 
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So much for the dietary laws, mixed fiber clothes, and gathering sticks on Saturdays being "nailed to the cross".

If you don't understand the word of God you should ask rather than show that you don't.

I would be happy to have this discussion with you if that is what you really want.
 
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If you don't understand the word of God you should ask rather than show that you don't.

I would be happy to have this discussion with you if that is what you really want.
He's teasing you as well. :)
 
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I never shared an opinion about it, just quoted what it says.
Opinions are useless where the scriptures are concerned. The truth of God's word is not opinion based. That is what is wrong when it comes to some of these topics. This is how we get the cherry picking. It is my opinion that I like this scripture so I will use it and I dont like that scripture so I won't use that one. We see a lot of "I believe is this scripture, but I don't believe in that one".

If you are doing that you are wrong. Yes, I believe in ALL of it. The parts I like, the parts I dont like.

God owns the Bible. Its His word. He is rhe one that says we must believe in it. ALL of it. Not just the parts we want to while rejecting the parts we don't want to believe.
I believe all of it. It's your opinion of what it means I am talking about--which is just as useless as anybody else's according to you, yourself.
 
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He's teasing you as well. :)

No, he posted that we must believe all of the Bible, not just the parts we like. I pointed out some parts that a majority don't follow. If he is willing to learn biblical Hebrew, I will be happy to be "schooled" in God's words.
 
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I believe all of it. It's your opinion of what it means I am talking about--which is just as useless as anybody else's according to you, yourself.

You do? If you do you wouldn't use only certain parts of it as a justification for governmental law while not wanting other parts to used as justification for governmental law.

It seems to me you only want certain parts to be enforced. Thats not real belief in all of it.

The fact you think its a political manifesto, or at least part of it is, the part you want to be, is evidence you really dont believe all of it. Because if you did you would want the greatest commandment enforced by government and not just the second.

Scripture is NOT a political manifesto. For anyone. Including me. Using it in that way diminishes it and its message and purpose.
 
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You do? If you do you wouldn't use only certain parts of it as a justification for governmental law while not wanting other parts to used as justification for governmental law.
I don't want any part of it used as a justification for government law--except as it influences the opinions of the individual voter.
It seems to me you only want certain parts to be enforced. Thats not real belief in all of it.
I want the government to enforce its laws, period. It's not the business of government to enforce any part of the Bible.
The fact you think its a political manifesto, or at least part of it is, the part you want to be, is evidence you really dont believe all of it. Because if you did you would want the greatest commandment enforced by government and not just the second.
I don't want either commandment to be enforced by the government.
Scripture is NOT a political manifesto. For anyone. Including me. Using it in that way diminishes it and its message and purpose.
So you never make any biblical arguments against, say, gay marriage? Or welfare? Almost every political argument you make goes back to the Gospel according to Paul.
 
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Again. So says Paul.
Actually, it's alledgedly Peter who said it. Paul just thought he was writing letters of advice to his various congregations. What Peter actually said was, "...just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him" which actually undercuts the notion that Paul's words were actually God's words. It doesn't help that while Peter's authorship of 1 Peter is regarded as established, the authorship of 2 Peter in which that quote occurs has been debated since antiquity.
 
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