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WHY THE LAW HAD TO GO. !!

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# 1. WHERE. UPON , ///. HOTHEN , is an. ADVERB

# 2. NEITHER , ///. OUDO , ///. is an. ADVERB

# 3 THE , //. HO is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. , in the NOMINATIVE. CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 4 FIRST , ///. PROTOS. in the SINGULAR

#5 TESTAMENT /// was added

# 6 WAS DECICATED. , /// EGKAINIZO. in the PERFECT TENSE , in the PASSIVE VOICE. in the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR

# 7 WITH OUT. , ///. CHORIS. , is an. ADVERB

# 8 BLOOD. , /// HAIMA. , is. in. the GENITIVE CASE. in. the SINGULAR. in. the NEUTER


# A AND under the LAW OF MOSES they had an ALTER

# B. They has a HIGN PRIEST

# C. They had a LAMB

# D AND they called IT ATONEMENT

# E And you say that the LAW ism still bro BE KEPT you have have TO keep. LETTERS A-E. !!

So ONLY CHRIST BLOOD from. the CROSS CAN. REALLY SAVE MAN !!

# F And this is WHY the LAW is no longer. active and no longer under OPRATION. . PEIOD. !!

# G. And SALVATION TODAY IS BY GRACE IN . ROM. 10:9 and 10. !!!

# H AS we are NOT UNDER LAW BUT UNDER GRACE , PERIOD !!

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Sadly a misunderstanding of Scripture as if its okay to break the law that says to not worship other gods, or murder our neighbor.

According to God His laws did not "have to go" they are perfect Psa19:7, holy, just and good Rom7:12 so instead He placed His laws Heb8:10, in the believers heart based on better promises Heb8:6 of Him helping us keep through our love and cooperation John14:15-18 its the ones who won't subject themselves to the law of God are the ones in rebellion Rom8:7-8

According to Scripture this is the fruit of someone saved:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

And are blessed that no man can take away the Blessings of God. Num23:20

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Sadly the lawless are the ones who Jesus says depart from Me Rom7:23 I do not know you 1 John2:4

According to my Bible, we are saved by grace through faith. When does faith mean not listening to God? According to Scripture this is rebellion, sin and unbelief Heb3:7-19
 
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This thread was moved from General Theology to Sabbath & The Law which is the place it needs to be.​
 
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Sadly a misunderstanding of Scripture as if its okay to break the law that says to not worship other gods, or murder our neighbor.

According to God His laws did not "have to go" they are perfect Psa19:7, holy, just and good Rom7:12 so instead He placed His laws Heb8:10, in the believers heart based on better promises Heb8:6 of Him helping us keep through our love and cooperation John14:15-18 its the ones who won't subject themselves to the law of God are the ones in rebellion Rom8:7-8

According to Scripture this is what someone does who is saved

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

And are blessed that no man can take away the Blessings of God. Num23:20

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Sadly the lawless are the ones who Jesus says departs from Me Rom7:23 I do not know you 1 John2:4

According to my Bible, we are saved by grace through faith. And when does faith become not listening to God? According to Scripture this is rebellion, sin and unbelief Heb3:7-19
And I have attended many churches in. my 88 years even those that kept the sabbath. ,

And you say that you. really KEPT. all the LAW and even. Peter. in ACTS 15 : 10. says it was a burden.

So do you BELEIVE what HEB. 9:18 , YES or NO. ??

And the apostle Paul wrote 14 epistles and that INCLUDED HEBREWS. !!

AN you of course are keeping all. the LAW and Peter in. ACTS 15:10 says he could NOT !!

So. what does Acts 15:11. REALLY MENS. ??

dan. p
 
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And I have attended many churches in. my 88 years even those that kept the sabbath. ,

And you say that you. really KEPT. all the LAW and even. Peter. in ACTS 15 : 10. says it was a burden.

So do you BELEIVE what HEB. 9:18 , YES or NO. ??

And the apostle Paul wrote 14 epistles and that INCLUDED HEBREWS. !!

AN you of course are keeping all. the LAW and Peter in. ACTS 15:10 says he could NOT !!

So. what does Acts 15:11. REALLY MENS. ??

dan. p
If one believes only worshipping God is a burden or not stealing from our neighbor is, perhaps doesn't really know God. 1John2:3 1John5:3. If we love Him why would we want to harm Him by worshipping other gods, or not keeping His name holy, or breaking the least of these commandments Mat5:19, sorry this logic does not make sense to me, nor will it ever.
 
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And I have attended many churches in. my 88 years even those that kept the sabbath. ,

And you say that you. really KEPT. all the LAW and even. Peter. in ACTS 15 : 10. says it was a burden.
Peter us not talking about the TEN, the moral law of God in Acts 15

He is not arguing for taking God's name in vain since it is just too difficult not to.
AN you of course are keeping all. the LAW and Peter in. ACTS 15:10 says he could NOT !!

So. what does Acts 15:11. REALLY MENS. ??

dan. p

Sounds like the perfect poster for antinomianism

Your posts on this thread, fit perfectly as examples in another thread on antinomianism. Sometimes it is difficult to find someone as eager to make those kind of statements, but since you do embrace it, might as well comment on this thread below.

 
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And I have attended many churches in. my 88 years even those that kept the sabbath. ,

And you say that you. really KEPT. all the LAW and even. Peter. in ACTS 15 : 10. says it was a burden.

So do you BELEIVE what HEB. 9:18 , YES or NO. ??

And the apostle Paul wrote 14 epistles and that INCLUDED HEBREWS. !!

AN you of course are keeping all. the LAW and Peter in. ACTS 15:10 says he could NOT !!

So. what does Acts 15:11. REALLY MENS. ??

dan. p

Dan,

Jesus warned about the "leaven", defined as "deception" promoted by the mainstream religions of the world at that time, "Who Professed to know God" and told me to "Take Heed" I am not deceived by them. Before God Sent Jesus, HE sent Jeremiah to warn about the same deception promoted by the mainstream preachers of his time, "who professed to know God".

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. 17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

So because I believe all that is written in the Law and Prophets, I am careful not to just believe anyone who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, but to prove the teaching based on what is actually written in Scriptures. In doing so, I have discovered many "leavens" promoted by the religions of this world God placed me in.

For instance, the very popular but false teaching that Peter is calling God's Laws, Statutes and commandments, "a burden or Yoke" in Acts 15.

The mainstream preachers of that time, the Pharisees, were certainly attempting to place a Yoke on the necks of the Disciples that they nor their fathers could bear. Jesus spoke of this "Burden" when HE instructed the multitudes and the Disciples to listen to Moses, "when he was read in the Temple on God's Holy Sabbath Days". (Keep in mind this was the only way at that time that they could hear Moses)

Consider what the Jesus "of the Bible" said about the mainstream preachers of that time, who said they promoted the Law of Moses, but did not.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: "for they say", and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Peter was there when Jesus taught this. To promote the philosophy that Peter forgot, or rejected His Lord's teaching in Act's 15 is foolishness, and when a man considers all that is written, it is a deception.

Peter wanted to keep the Gentiles away from the traditions of men that Jesus said the Pharisees taught for doctrines, when they claimed to believe Moses, and directed them toward the actual Word's of God through Moses. It's right there in the Scriptures, all a man needs is belief.

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (Law of Moses) and from blood. (Law of Moses)

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city "them that preach him", (Pharisees and Scribes) being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. (Just don't do what they do because they "profess to know God" but reject His Commandments to promote their own religious traditions))

Peter and the Apostles directed the Gentiles to do the exact same thing that the Jesus "of the Bible" commanded of them.

This entire philosophy promoted by this world's religions God placed us in, that somehow God's Judgments, Laws and instruction in righteousness is the plague on mankind leading them astray, burdening men with blindness and ignorance, and are a Yoke of Bondage, Beggarly Elements and Rudiments of this world is certainly a popular philosophy dating back to Eve and the first mainstream preacher "of this world", who professed to know God, ever to be recorded. Consider the foundation of his philosophy.

Gen. 3: 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (God Lied to you)

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Reject the Commandment) "then" your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, "knowing" good and evil.

The "Yoke/burden" that the mainstream preachers of that time were tempting God, by attempting to place them on the Gentiles was not God's Laws given to Moses. They "said" it was, but Jesus had already shown the Apostles that it wasn't.

This is just ONE of the "many Leavens" promoted by the "many" who come in Christ's Name, that Jesus warned about. I hope you might consider.
 
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And I have attended many churches in. my 88 years even those that kept the sabbath. ,

And you say that you. really KEPT. all the LAW and even. Peter. in ACTS 15 : 10. says it was a burden.

So do you BELEIVE what HEB. 9:18 , YES or NO. ??

And the apostle Paul wrote 14 epistles and that INCLUDED HEBREWS. !!

AN you of course are keeping all. the LAW and Peter in. ACTS 15:10 says he could NOT !!

So. what does Acts 15:11. REALLY MENS. ??

dan. p
You did not address her post. You just spoke over it with questions without actually addressing any of her points
 
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Dan,

Jesus warned about the "leaven", defined as "deception" promoted by the mainstream religions of the world at that time, "Who Professed to know God" and told me to "Take Heed" I am not deceived by them. Before God Sent Jesus, HE sent Jeremiah to warn about the same deception promoted by the mainstream preachers of his time, "who professed to know God".

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. 17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

So because I believe all that is written in the Law and Prophets, I am careful not to just believe anyone who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, but to prove the teaching based on what is actually written in Scriptures. In doing so, I have discovered many "leavens" promoted by the religions of this world God placed me in.

For instance, the very popular but false teaching that Peter is calling God's Laws, Statutes and commandments, "a burden or Yoke" in Acts 15.

The mainstream preachers of that time, the Pharisees, were certainly attempting to place a Yoke on the necks of the Disciples that they nor their fathers could bear. Jesus spoke of this "Burden" when HE instructed the multitudes and the Disciples to listen to Moses, "when he was read in the Temple on God's Holy Sabbath Days". (Keep in mind this was the only way at that time that they could hear Moses)

Consider what the Jesus "of the Bible" said about the mainstream preachers of that time, who said they promoted the Law of Moses, but did not.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: "for they say", and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Peter was there when Jesus taught this. To promote the philosophy that Peter forgot, or rejected His Lord's teaching in Act's 15 is foolishness, and when a man considers all that is written, it is a deception.

Peter wanted to keep the Gentiles away from the traditions of men that Jesus said the Pharisees taught for doctrines, when they claimed to believe Moses, and directed them toward the actual Word's of God through Moses. It's right there in the Scriptures, all a man needs is belief.

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (Law of Moses) and from blood. (Law of Moses)

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city "them that preach him", (Pharisees and Scribes) being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. (Just don't do what they do because they "profess to know God" but reject His Commandments to promote their own religious traditions))

Peter and the Apostles directed the Gentiles to do the exact same thing that the Jesus "of the Bible" commanded of them.

This entire philosophy promoted by this world's religions God placed us in, that somehow God's Judgments, Laws and instruction in righteousness is the plague on mankind leading them astray, burdening men with blindness and ignorance, and are a Yoke of Bondage, Beggarly Elements and Rudiments of this world is certainly a popular philosophy dating back to Eve and the first mainstream preacher "of this world", who professed to know God, ever to be recorded. Consider the foundation of his philosophy.

Gen. 3: 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (God Lied to you)

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Reject the Commandment) "then" your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, "knowing" good and evil.

The "Yoke/burden" that the mainstream preachers of that time were tempting God, by attempting to place them on the Gentiles was not God's Laws given to Moses. They "said" it was, but Jesus had already shown the Apostles that it wasn't.

This is just ONE of the "many Leavens" promoted by the "many" who come in Christ's Name, that Jesus warned about. I hope you might consider.
The interesting thing about Jerimiah and God giving Him a prophecy that His laws would be written in the hearts, it would have to be a law known to Jeremiah. In the Book of Jeremiah all of the Ten Commandments as repeated including the Sabbath.
 
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The interesting thing about Jerimiah and God giving Him a prophecy that His laws would be written in the hearts, it would have to be a law known to Jeremiah. In the Book of Jeremiah all of the Ten Commandments as repeated including the Sabbath.

I do believe God's 2 Greatest Commandments, and all that hang on them, are written on the hearts (Minds) of the Faithful, including of course, the 10 Commandments and the Sabbath Days.
 
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I do believe God's 2 Greatest Commandments, and all that hang on them, are written on the hearts (Minds) of the Faithful, including of course, the 10 Commandments and the Sabbath Days.
Are you referring to the annual sabbath(s) feast days as in animal sacrifices and offerings?
 
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Are you referring to the annual sabbath(s) feast days as in animal sacrifices and offerings?

The animal sacrifices and offerings were always a Shadow of the reality, in my understanding. Passover is Still a Holy Day, like Pentecost, and First Day of Unleavened Bread and the Weekly Sabbath. The Sacrifices were symbolic of what would be done, what had to be done, to make it possible for a man to "Change his ways". To remove the Sin that held men in the bondage of death. I think it's a mistake to concentrate on the blood of animals, as if the Holy Days were all about killing animals. Not because some religious sect or business tells me these things, but because God Himself said HE didn't desire the blood of animals. And yet HE did desire the promotion of, what HE called, the "Feasts of the Lord", in which HE didn't differentiate between any of His Sabbaths, as if one was worthy of my respect, and the others were not.

And certainly the first church of God under His Prophesied New Priest, didn't judge between the Sabbaths of God either, but honored God in them as is clear in Acts, and never killed even one animal. And God rewarded them with His Holy Spirit, that Peter says God gives to those who obey Him.

So I know that this understanding is not widely taught or held by this world's religious sects, and I won't argue about it in this thread, I was simply trying to answer your question concerning the shadows of things yet to come, and how it appears God had them written on the hearts of the first Church of God under His Prophesied New High Priest.
 
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The animal sacrifices and offerings were always a Shadow of the reality, in my understanding. Passover is Still a Holy Day, like Pentecost, and First Day of Unleavened Bread and the Weekly Sabbath. The Sacrifices were symbolic of what would be done, what had to be done, to make it possible for a man to "Change his ways". To remove the Sin that held men in the bondage of death. I think it's a mistake to concentrate on the blood of animals, as if the Holy Days were all about killing animals. Not because some religious sect or business tells me these things, but because God Himself said HE didn't desire the blood of animals. And yet HE did desire the promotion of, what HE called, the "Feasts of the Lord", in which HE didn't differentiate between any of His Sabbaths, as if one was worthy of my respect, and the others were not.

And certainly the first church of God under His Prophesied New Priest, didn't judge between the Sabbaths of God either, but honored God in them as is clear in Acts, and never killed even one animal. And God rewarded them with His Holy Spirit, that Peter says God gives to those who obey Him.

So I know that this understanding is not widely taught or held by this world's religious sects, and I won't argue about it in this thread, I was simply trying to answer your question concerning the shadows of things yet to come, and how it appears God had them written on the hearts of the first Church of God under His Prophesied New High Priest.
The animal sacrifices that were attached to the annual feast days and annual sabbaths were literal sacrifices according to Scripture and were a shadow pointing forward to Jesus. So if we keep the Passover or other feast days, we would not be keeping them according to the Bible because animal sacrifices ended at the Cross and Jerusalem where these feasts occurred was destroyed. So if one was still keeping them, they would be according to a new tradition, not according to Scripture, but I will not judge anyone if they wish to keep them, but Scripture doesn't tell us to. The annual feasts days and annual sabbaths all came after the fall, where are the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments started at Creation Exo20:11 according to God's perfect plan before sin took over.
 
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The animal sacrifices that were attached to the annual feast days and annul sabbaths were literal sacrifices according to Scripture and were a shadow pointing forward to Jesus. So if we keep the Passover or other feast days, we would not be keeping them according to the Bible because animal sacrifices ended at the Cross and Jerusalem where these feasts occurred was destroyed. So if one was still keeping them, they would be according to a new tradition, not according to Scripture, but I will not judge anyone if they wish to keep them.

Yes, that is what I said. The Feasts of the Lord didn't become old and vanish, the literal animal sacrifices become old and vanished. The Day God sanctified and made Holy by God, is still sanctified Holy to God, and was also still Holy to the members of God's First church under His New Priest. It was never about killing animals, in my view, just as "Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn", was never about the Oxen, in my view.
 
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