Citizens are fed up with Dem-invited migrants that have disdain for US law and culture

rjs330 · Tuesday at 6:04 PM

Say it aint so said:
So says Paul.
And to my knowledge there is no passage where Jesus asked Paul to write anything.
When one is trying to get to the heart of what Jesus taught and spoke, it's usually best to quote those words attributed to him.

Paul was taught by Christ. Peter was taught by Christ and affirmed Paul's teachings were scripture. So, they are from God himself.

BCP1928 · Tuesday at 6:53 PM

rjs330 said:
Yes and you CHOOSE to give. You are not forced to give. Theee is a VERY large difference in my decision to give and the government forcing it. You see if I believed my church was wasting my money I would stop giving. On the one off or rare circumstance that I may disagree, I can live with that.

With the givernment the waste, fraud and abuse of the system is so rampant that it money is being wasted by the billions. Its not the same. And I cannot decide not to pay.

Its not remotely the same thing.

Of course, In your case you could leave the church, or you could stay and work toward electing new Deacons.

BCP1928 · Tuesday at 6:55 PM

rjs330 said:
Paul was taught by Christ. Peter was taught by Christ and affirmed Paul's teachings were scripture. So, they are from God himself.

As I said, that is your opinion about Scripture and you are welcome to it. Other Christians' mileage may vary. They have opinions, too, just as good as yours. Remember, you don't own the Bible and aren't in a position to dictate to others what they must believe about it.

rjs330 · 2025-12-17T02:08:51-0600

BCP1928 said:
Of course, In your case you could leave the church, or you could stay and work toward electing new Deacons.

Or I could stay and not give anymore money. See, its a choice. One we don't have with the government.

And with the governemnt no matter how often we vote for new representatives. Nothing changes. Thats the difference between rhat and a local church. Volunteer giving. And the ability to actually make a change. With an all encompassing federal government we have neither the ability to voluntarily give nor make any significant alterations. Since we did vote for someone to do that and he got sued six ways to Sunday to stop going after the fraud waste and abuse.

Its something the progressives love to do. Totally waste money so they can feel better.

rjs330 · 2025-12-17T02:27:34-0600

BCP1928 said:
As I said, that is your opinion about Scripture and you are welcome to it.

I never shared an opinion about it, just quoted what it says.

BCP1928 said:
They have opinions, too, just as good as yours.

Opinions are useless where the scriptures are concerned. The truth of God's word is not opinion based. That is what is wrong when it comes to some of these topics. This is how we get the cherry picking. It is my opinion that I like this scripture so I will use it and I dont like that scripture so I won't use that one. We see a lot of "I believe is this scripture, but I don't believe in that one".

If you are doing that you are wrong. Yes, I believe in ALL of it. The parts I like, the parts I dont like.

BCP1928 said:
Remember, you don't own the Bible and aren't in a position to dictate to others what they must believe about it.

God owns the Bible. Its His word. He is rhe one that says we must believe in it. ALL of it. Not just the parts we want to while rejecting the parts we don't want to believe.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-17T02:33:44-0600

rjs330 said:
God owns the Bible. Its His word. He is rhe one that says we must believe in it. ALL of it. Not just the parts we want to while rejecting the parts we don't want to believe.

So much for the dietary laws, mixed fiber clothes, and gathering sticks on Saturdays being "nailed to the cross".

rjs330 · 2025-12-17T02:51:39-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
So much for the dietary laws, mixed fiber clothes, and gathering sticks on Saturdays being "nailed to the cross".

If you don't understand the word of God you should ask rather than show that you don't.

I would be happy to have this discussion with you if that is what you really want.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-17T07:16:53-0600

rjs330 said:
If you don't understand the word of God you should ask rather than show that you don't.

I would be happy to have this discussion with you if that is what you really want.

He's teasing you as well.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-17T07:20:37-0600

rjs330 said:
I never shared an opinion about it, just quoted what it says.
Opinions are useless where the scriptures are concerned. The truth of God's word is not opinion based. That is what is wrong when it comes to some of these topics. This is how we get the cherry picking. It is my opinion that I like this scripture so I will use it and I dont like that scripture so I won't use that one. We see a lot of "I believe is this scripture, but I don't believe in that one".

If you are doing that you are wrong. Yes, I believe in ALL of it. The parts I like, the parts I dont like.

God owns the Bible. Its His word. He is rhe one that says we must believe in it. ALL of it. Not just the parts we want to while rejecting the parts we don't want to believe.

I believe all of it. It's your opinion of what it means I am talking about--which is just as useless as anybody else's according to you, yourself.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-17T08:00:39-0600

BCP1928 said:
He's teasing you as well.

No, he posted that we must believe all of the Bible, not just the parts we like. I pointed out some parts that a majority don't follow. If he is willing to learn biblical Hebrew, I will be happy to be "schooled" in God's words.

rjs330 · 2025-12-17T09:15:53-0600

BCP1928 said:
I believe all of it. It's your opinion of what it means I am talking about--which is just as useless as anybody else's according to you, yourself.

You do? If you do you wouldn't use only certain parts of it as a justification for governmental law while not wanting other parts to used as justification for governmental law.

It seems to me you only want certain parts to be enforced. Thats not real belief in all of it.

The fact you think its a political manifesto, or at least part of it is, the part you want to be, is evidence you really dont believe all of it. Because if you did you would want the greatest commandment enforced by government and not just the second.

Scripture is NOT a political manifesto. For anyone. Including me. Using it in that way diminishes it and its message and purpose.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-17T09:52:03-0600

rjs330 said:
You do? If you do you wouldn't use only certain parts of it as a justification for governmental law while not wanting other parts to used as justification for governmental law.

I don't want any part of it used as a justification for government law--except as it influences the opinions of the individual voter.

rjs330 said:
It seems to me you only want certain parts to be enforced. Thats not real belief in all of it.

I want the government to enforce its laws, period. It's not the business of government to enforce any part of the Bible.

rjs330 said:
The fact you think its a political manifesto, or at least part of it is, the part you want to be, is evidence you really dont believe all of it. Because if you did you would want the greatest commandment enforced by government and not just the second.

I don't want either commandment to be enforced by the government.

rjs330 said:
Scripture is NOT a political manifesto. For anyone. Including me. Using it in that way diminishes it and its message and purpose.

So you never make any biblical arguments against, say, gay marriage? Or welfare? Almost every political argument you make goes back to the Gospel according to Paul.

Say it aint so · 2025-12-17T10:00:48-0600

rjs330 said:
Paul was taught by Christ. Peter was taught by Christ and affirmed Paul's teachings were scripture. So, they are from God himself.

Again. So says Paul.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-17T10:36:52-0600

Say it aint so said:
Again. So says Paul.

Actually, it's alledgedly Peter who said it. Paul just thought he was writing letters of advice to his various congregations. What Peter actually said was, "...just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him" which actually undercuts the notion that Paul's words were actually God's words. It doesn't help that while Peter's authorship of 1 Peter is regarded as established, the authorship of 2 Peter in which that quote occurs has been debated since antiquity.

Say it aint so · 2025-12-17T19:16:32-0600

BCP1928 said:
Actually, it's alledgedly Peter who said it. Paul just thought he was writing letters of advice to his various congregations. What Peter actually said was, "...just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him" which actually undercuts the notion that Paul's words were actually God's words. It doesn't help that while Peter's authorship of 1 Peter is regarded as established, the authorship of 2 Peter in which that quote occurs has been debated since antiquity.

Galatians 1:11–13

11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. 13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it.

The mythical archetype of the dream relegation. Apply one large grain of salt. Just like the authorship of the Peter letters.

rjs330 · 2025-12-17T23:32:24-0600

BCP1928 said:
I don't want any part of it used as a justification for government law--except as it influences the opinions of the individual voter.

Then why are you arguing with me about it. Becauae I dont think we shoild be using it for governmental law and you have been arguing with me over my stance. So I'm confused.
Hmmm... I guess I'll have to take your word for that.

BCP1928 said:
want the government to enforce its laws, period. It's not the business of government to enforce any part of the Bible.

Yet you seem to want to only use certain scriptures for certain political stances and rejecting scripture for ither political stances. I don't know, it all seems politically based to me.

BCP1928 said:
I don't want either commandment to be enforced by the government.

Maybe I'm wrong here. I've read so many posts on this subject that I may have gotten all the players mixed up. Have you never used scripture as a support for a welfare state or bringing in immigrants or allowing illegal immigrants to stay?

BCP1928 said:
So you never make any biblical arguments against, say, gay marriage? Or welfare? Almost every political argument you make goes back to the Gospel according to Paul.

No I don't. The only time I do is when someone else brings scripture up as a reason why we should be doing something governmentally. Or in response to someone else bringing up scripture in support or this or that as political policy.

We have a lot of unbelievers on this forum who take no stock in what scripture says and would just dismiss it out of hand becauae they don't believe in it. Its funny though how progressives who dont believe in scripture will suddenly like it when someone uses it to support their particular political agenda. Then its great.

And if you really believed in all of scripture you would accept what Paul has to say because it is as much scripture as anything Christ said. Paul never contradicts Christ on anything.

So I guess I'm still confused on why you are arguing with me since neither of us supports using scripture for pushing for political agendas, policies or law.

rjs330 · 2025-12-17T23:34:21-0600

Say it aint so said:
Again. So says Paul.

No, so says Peter.

rjs330 · 2025-12-17T23:37:13-0600

Say it aint so said:
Galatians 1:11–13

11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. 13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it.

The mythical archetype of the dream relegation. Apply one large grain of salt. Just like the authorship of the Peter letters.

Just another leftist liberal who doesn't trust anything written in scripture.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-18T07:04:35-0600

rjs330 said:
Just another leftist liberal who doesn't trust anything written in scripture.

Doesn't trust your interpretation, doesn't have to. The actual authorship of the Epistles has nothing to do with their meaning and importance.

rjs330 · 2025-12-18T11:22:26-0600

BCP1928 said:
Doesn't trust your interpretation, doesn't have to. The actual authorship of the Epistles has nothing to do with their meaning and importance.

Absolutely. They are scriptures that were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. They are God's word. I have not presented MY INTERPRETATION. Not once. I have merely quoted scripture. There are those however will do everything they can to cast doubt upon the word of God. And plenty of those who will reject some scripture while accepting others that suit their own personal sensibilities. THEY are the ones trying to shove their own interpretation of scriptures onto the rest of us. Trying to push their own agenda instead of letting all of scripture BE the agenda.

The epistles and what are contained in them are just as important and authoritative as the Gospels. As Is written in 2 Peter.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for these things, give diligence that ye may be found in peace, without spot and blameless in his sight. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, ye fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Peter 3:14, 2 Peter 3:15, 2 Peter 3:16, 2 Peter 3:17, 2 Peter 3:18 - American Standard Version

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for these things, give diligence that ye may be found in peace, without spot and blameless in his sight.

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