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Overcoming by the Word of their testimony...

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Hi there,

Revelation 12:11
And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.

I am interested in comments on what is meant by "the word of their testimony"

Also - who exactly is being referred to - who is 'they' ???
 

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Carl for whatever reason i feel like you and I see eye to eye on a wide variety of issues but sometimes i think that you should spend time in prayer and get an answer from God yourself. Unless God is inspiring you to ask these questions publicly for a bigger purpose.

In my experience, everything in the spiritual realm operates by the spoken word.

So God created the universe by speaking it into existance.

Corruption came, and by our spoken words of confession of our corruption, we are forgiven. (And this is not by our physical mouth, but by our spirit speaking in the spirit).

The word of our testimony is all the words that we spoke, to or against God, the Son, the angels, humans, and demons that heard it.. but not all the words. its the words that were spoken in spirit and in truth and are spiritually relevant. In a sense its your whole spiritually relevant life story

Ultimately we all have to realize our physical lives have little to no value. But few figure that out in their own lifetime which is why the martyrs are commended.

Here is an example:

14 years ago i had a short conversation with an 8 year old girl who told me her mom had been shot. I will likely never meet her again, and for years i have wondered where she went, was it true what she told me, why did she seem to instinctually run down to the church basement away from everyone else and climb into a chair to sit next to me, etc. In a dream earlier this year i saw her, years ago, as a child, telling some of her friends how much what i told her helped her. What happened there is part of her testimony of Jesus, and mine.

Basically whatever is spiritually relevant in your process of overcoming the world is through Jesus and it is your testimony
 
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Carl for whatever reason i feel like you and I see eye to eye on a wide variety of issues but sometimes i think that you should spend time in prayer and get an answer from God yourself. Unless God is inspiring you to ask these questions publicly for a bigger purpose.

In my experience, everything in the spiritual realm operates by the spoken word.

So God created the universe by speaking it into existance.

Corruption came, and by our spoken words of confession of our corruption, we are forgiven. (And this is not by our physical mouth, but by our spirit speaking in the spirit).

The word of our testimony is all the words that we spoke, to or against God, the Son, the angels, humans, and demons that heard it.. but not all the words. its the words that were spoken in spirit and in truth and are spiritually relevant. In a sense its your whole spiritually relevant life story

Ultimately we all have to realize our physical lives have little to no value. But few figure that out in their own lifetime which is why the martyrs are commended.

Here is an example:

14 years ago i had a short conversation with an 8 year old girl who told me her mom had been shot. I will likely never meet her again, and for years i have wondered where she went, was it true what she told me, why did she seem to instinctually run down to the church basement away from everyone else and climb into a chair to sit next to me, etc. In a dream earlier this year i saw her, years ago, as a child, telling some of her friends how much what i told her helped her. What happened there is part of her testimony of Jesus, and mine.

Basically whatever is spiritually relevant in your process of overcoming the world is through Jesus and it is your testimony

Hi there,

Thanks for the nice contribution...

My style is to evoke discussion on important issues and get folks thinking outside their habitual mindset.

At the same time I am blessed with a powerful testimony and feel that the sharing of same is somehow consolidating my faith and fulfilling my role in His purpose.

However it is not so much the content that speaks but His presence on the hearer.

Years back a well respected Pastor singled me out and said I had a cholesterol problem and God didn't want me to die because He had a lot for me to do. Within 14 days it dropped to a safe level without me taking any action. Since then I have maintained a sensible diet. So in these latter years I want to make sure no opportunity He has created for me to honour Him is missed.

My wife and I are in an unusual mode of living - 'house sitting' and moving regularly from place to place - a perfect opportunity to meet new faces on the street and share His Love when He opens up ears.

Thanks again for opening the discussion up.
 
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The word of their testimony is their martyrdom. Their death is the "word" by which they conquer.

For who "they" is go back to verse 10; "our brothers and sisters," in context, those who have been martyred.
 
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