Do the Ten Commandments apply to Christians today?

Hentenza said:

Not what I asked. And again you cannot prove that the wicked that died during Noah did not take Gods name in vain.

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you are not following the details in the discussion.

I said the command to not take God's name in vain is not recorded before Ex 20 , yet it would be a sin going all the way back to Eden.
Obviously.

Hentenza said:

Read verse 28. Jesus became the Lord of the Sabbath.

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Does not read "Jesus BECAME the Lord of the Sabbath" as we all know. Probably why you are not actually quoting these

"The Son of man IS LORD of the Sabbath" is not how we say "The Son of man BECAME the Lord of the Sabbath". You are missing a lot of details in this discussion.

Heb 8 says it is Christ giving the commandments at Sinai.

Follow the details .... then you will see.

Hentenza said:

What commandments? Show me the verse that contains the list of commandments before Moses?

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Moses is the one that records in Genesis that God told Isaac that Abraham kept His Commandments.

And as I showed you before both the Baptist Confession of Faith AND the Westminster Confession of Faith confirm that it is God giving the TEN in Eden.

Mark 2 says "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND not MANKIND MADE for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27, which speaks to the making of both in Gen 1-2. Obviously.

You are stuck with "Sabbath made just for Jews" which is absolutely not the teaching of Christ in Mark 2:27 or in Isaiah 66;23.

You are missing wayyy too many details even after they are pointed out.

Hentenza said:

How about the 4th commandment, did anyone keep it before Moses?

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All Ten of them ...

Even the Christian Confessions of Faith affirm it. You are going wayyy out on a limb

Hentenza said:

Nonsense. No one read Genesis or Exodus before the 15th century BCE

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God existed before Moses.
You are missing wayyy too many details

Thank God the Christian Confessions of Faith can admit the obvious even if you claim you don't understand

BobRyan said:

The only reason "creation WEEK" is a 7 day week is because of Gen 2:1-3 the SEVENTH day of that week that Ex 20:11 says was the actual SABBATH being made, blessed, sanctified.

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Hentenza said:

Nonsense.

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Try getting the easy and obvious part of this discussion. Even the Christian Confessions of Faith don't struggle with the obvious details that you claim not to see.

Hentenza said:

No one read Genesis or Exodus before the 15th century BCE

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Adam and Eve were held accountable in Gen 3 for what God said in Gen 2 even though Moses had not yet been born. Clearly they did not have to wait for Moses to be born to hear what God had said.

Obviously. Christians at a very young age read the text and can figure that out.

You know this is glaringly obvious at this point, and you know we can all see this detail. Why not be serious??

You keep circling back to some 'game' quips instead of dealing with the topic.

BobRyan said:

you are not following the details in the discussion.

I said the command to not take God's name in vain is not recorded before Ex 20 , yet it would be a sin going all the way back to Eden.
Obviously.

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And I told you before that you are making an argument from silence which as you know is quite the fallacy. You need to follow the details of the discussion.

BobRyan said:

Does not read "Jesus BECAME the Lord of the Sabbath" as we all know. Probably why you are not actually quoting these

"The Son of man IS LORD of the Sabbath" is not how we say "The Son of man BECAME the Lord of the Sabbath". You are missing a lot of details in this discussion.

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Oh brother. I guess you guys have the cookie cutter argument.

“Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord, even of the Sabbath.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭2‬:‭27‬-‭28‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Again, the sabbath was made for man. Jesus became man and as God and man is Lord of the Sabbath. Nothing you can say here can change this fact.

BobRyan said:

Heb 8 says it is Christ giving the commandments at Sinai.

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Nope. Jesus ushered in a new covenant. The old covenant has faded away. God has given the Son all authority.

“And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭18‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

BobRyan said:

Follow the details .... then you will see.

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You follow.

BobRyan said:

Moses is the one that records in Genesis that God told Isaac that Abraham kept His Commandments.

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Which commandments? Give me the list with book and verse.

BobRyan said:

And as I showed you before both the Baptist Confession of Faith AND the Westminster Confession of Faith confirm that it is God giving the TEN in Eden.

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You did not show what you think you did and you continue with your straw man.

BobRyan said:

Mark 2 says "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND not MANKIND MADE for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27, which speaks to the making of both in Gen 1-2. Obviously.

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Of course the sabbath was made for man and Jesus became man and Lord of the sabbath. Keep up with the discussion.

BobRyan said:

You are stuck with "Sabbath made just for Jews" which is absolutely not the teaching of Christ in Mark 2:27 or in Isaiah 66;23.

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So show me where the sabbath was kept before Moses. It should be simple for you since you are so sure that you are right.

BobRyan said:

You are missing wayyy too many details even after they are pointed out.

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And yet you still have not posted a verse that shows that anyone kept the sabbath before Moses or that the law was given to the gentiles collectively. Why is that?

BobRyan said:

All Ten of them ...

Even the Christian Confessions of Faith affirm it. You are going wayyy out on a limb

God existed before Moses.
You are missing wayyy too many details

Thank God the Christian Confessions of Faith can admit the obvious even if you claim you don't understand

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I’ve already explained and rebuked your argument regarding the confessions. Why is it that you did not addressed what I wrote?

BobRyan said:

Adam and Eve were held accountable in Gen 3 for what God said in Gen 2 even though Moses had not yet been born. Clearly they did not have to wait for Moses to be born to hear what God had said.

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God told them and it is written. No sabbath though. I’m done with your circular logic and argument from silence. The only thing that can win the argument for you is to post a verse that shows people keeping the sabbath before Moses and a verse showing which commandments Abraham kept (maybe the Noahic law?). And then while you are at it post a verse that shows that the Mosaic law including the Ten Commandments was given to the gentiles collectively. I’ve been asking for these verse for quite some time but you either keep ignoring the requests or simply can not comply because they don’t exist. Which one is it?