Do Your Actions Speaks Louder then your knowledge?

jonojim1337 said:

You’re stuck on the shadow of former things and I don’t know why.

1Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. a3Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”b

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” c 5And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

6Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.” d

8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, e just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

12For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,f Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

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SabbathBlessings said:

Still haven’t quoted the OT passages this is referencing. You will never understand this passage until you do as it is quoting OT telling us not to follow in their same path of disobedience Heb4:6

And this is what they disobeyed that prevented them to enter into their land of rest Jos 1:13

Eze 20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idol

If you believe following the same example of disobedience will yield a different result into entering our Promised Land Rev22:14 despite Scripture saying it won’t Heb4:11 Heb4:6 life is about choices and faith. God said Remember, someone else teaches to forget. What voice will we yield ourselves servants to obey?

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jonojim1337 said:

1Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. a3Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”b

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” c 5And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

Whoever you are talking about had the good news preached to them, and they did not believe. Unless you want to call Paul a liar. But Revelation supports this:

8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

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SabbathBlessings said:

Trying to understand this passage without the OT quotes will never understand the Truth to this passage, Not every time you see the word “rest” does it mean the Sabbath. Just look up rest in Scripture and you will see this. I can also show you by the Greek definitions in this passage they do not mean the Sabbath. Verse 9 does and it literally means keeping the Sabbath which remains for God’s people. You are not allowing Scriptures to define, but trying to define it by ones own definitions which will only lead to error Pro3:5-6

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jonojim1337 said:

17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

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SabbathBlessings said:

The Sabbath that started at Creation points to God our Creator Exo20:11 which will never be a shadow of anything, its the God we are told to worship Rev14:7

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jonojim1337 said:

This has already been gone over 100 times here. There is only one way by which we enter this particular Sabbath.

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jonojim1337 said:

Shadow of former things

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SabbathBlessings said:

Two different rests and two different meanings. We enter Christ rest though faith, those who are disobedient to God do not enter Heb4:6 as we see with the Israelites during their trial and what they disobeyed Eze20:16 we are told not to follow Heb4:11

To enter into Christ rest one also (means they are doing something in addition) they also cease from their woks as God did from His Heb4:10, on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 why there remains a Sabbath rest Heb4:9NIV and the Greek word here literally translates into Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.

Greek Word	Verse	Meaning
κατάπαυσις	Heb 4:1	God’s rest / entering His rest
σαββατισμός	Heb 4:9	Sabbath rest / Sabbath observance

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Hentenza said:

What does that mean? My question was for the other poster because their church follows the dietary laws.

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jonojim1337 said:

Well the answer to your question that not following the shadow of former things is not a sin.

Also,

7So I became the shepherd of the flock doomed to be slaughtered by the sheep traders. And I took two staffs, one I named Favor, the other I named Union. And I tended the sheep. 8In one month I destroyed the three shepherds. But I became impatient with them, and they also detested me. 9So I said, “I will not be your shepherd. What is to die, let it die. What is to be destroyed, let it be destroyed. And let those who are left devour the flesh of one another.” 10And I took my staff Favor, and I broke it, annulling the covenant that I had made with all the peoples. 11So it was annulled on that day, and the sheep traders, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the LORD. 12Then I said to them, “If it seems good to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.” And they weighed out as my wages thirty pieces of silver. 13Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—the lordly price at which I was priced by them. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD, to the potter. 14Then I broke my second staff Union, annulling the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

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Hentenza said:

This is irrelevant regarding my question to the other poster. Nothing in my question about shadows.

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