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FBI makes arrest in investigation into pipe bombs placed in DC on eve of Jan. 6 riot, AP source says

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It's not very consistent.

Unless you think the seditionists and police-assaulters deserve clemency for their violent crimes because they were on the president's side, and Cole's motivations are unclear as yet.
I think the difference is that the pipe bombs were active, and not "fake", and that the intention was to kill multiple government officials. That's different from trespassing, and pushing someone out of the way.

...I don't think taking this case more seriously shows inconsistency, because of the difference in severity. Though, CNN seems to be trying as hard as they can to make them the same. I think "making things seem the same" is a very big problem in debate these days.
 
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I think the difference is that the pipe bombs were active, and not "fake", and that the intention was to kill multiple government officials. That's different from trespassing, and pushing someone out of the way.
What happened to seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government and assaulting police officers? This was more than trespassing and 'jostling'. Some of them clearly expressed their desire to hang Mike Pence.

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Over 140 members of law enforcement were assaulted and injured during the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, making it one of the most violent days for law enforcement in U.S. history. The injuries sustained were severe and extensive.

Types of Injuries
Officers experienced a wide range of physical injuries, from bruises and lacerations to severe, long-term trauma. Specific injuries included:
  • Traumatic brain injuries and concussions
  • Smashed spinal discs and cracked ribs
  • A mild heart attack experienced by one officer after being repeatedly hit with a stun gun
  • Loss of an eye for one officer
  • A stab wound from a metal fence stake
  • Chemical burns from irritants like bear spray and mace
  • Lacerations, bruises, and swollen joints
 
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CNN media influencers are pushing the idea that Trump pardoned the Jan. 6 rioters, but this poor, young black fellow will receive punishment without pardon, and that it's not fair.

Should Brian Cole Jr. Recieve clemency? Or "the book"? That's the question, knowing now that he's black instead of white.

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His lawyers should and probably will argue that he is included in Trump's pardon of J6 rioters unless that pardon names each and every individual, which I don't know the answer to. And even then they may still argue it because he was unknown at the time and should have been included.

It does beg the question as to whether Trump would have included him in his pardon if he had been known and why or why not.
 
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His lawyers should and probably will argue that he is included in Trump's pardon of J6 rioters unless that pardon names each and every individual, which I don't know the answer to.
It only names the seditious conspirators (who received commutations).

I like the plan, but the announcement of the pardon specified "at or near the United States Capitol," but his lawyers have nothing to lose.
 
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The man who is accused of placing two pipe bombs outside the Democratic and Republican National Committee offices on Jan. 5, 2021, told investigators he was "disappointed" in the results of the 2020 election, according to U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Jeanine Pirro.

She said "it really isn't clear" if Cole is a supporter of either President Donald Trump or former President Joe Biden.

"This guy was an equal opportunity bomber," Pirro said. "He put a bomb outside the Republican National Committee and the Democrat National Committee. He was disappointed to a great deal in the system, both sides of the system, and for me as a prosecutor, my job is to prove what his intent was in placing those pipe bombs, and what he intended to do, and what we can prove, and we can prove that."

Brian Cole Jr. also said that that he got rid of the unusual shoes that investigators were looking for, according Pirro.
 
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His lawyers should and probably will argue that he is included in Trump's pardon of J6 rioters unless that pardon names each and every individual, which I don't know the answer to. And even then they may still argue it because he was unknown at the time and should have been included.

It does beg the question as to whether Trump would have included him in his pardon if he had been known and why or why not.
Bombers don't deserve pardons. Neither to violent insurrectionists. Only those who trespassed, without violence (seditionists), ever deserved a pardon.

...If violent insurrectionists were pardoned, then that was a mistake that was made. Pardoning another would be an additional mistake.
 
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Bombers don't deserve pardons. Neither to violent seditionists. Only those who trespassed, without violence, ever deserved a pardon.
Youre entitled to your opinion. The president is entitled to his.
 
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FWIW

GOP lawmaker drops FBI whistleblower bombshell about J6 pipe bomb suspect

Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) claimed [an FBI 'whistleblower' asserted that] the FBI arrested the wrong person in the Jan. 6 pipe bomb case.

The 30-year-old Cole lives in a community where several employees of the FBI, Secret Service and police also reside, and the whistleblower said they must have seen him on one of his frequent walks around the area.

"He wanders around his neighborhood several times a day while walking a dog," Massie wrote. "Other than walking his dog, he doesn’t engage in any other activities outside his home. He does not interact with anyone. He doesn’t wave or acknowledge others or even say hello. He does not even look at other people when he walks by. He appears to live in his own world."

"His behavior is awkward," Massie wrote. "It’s obvious he has a mental disability, and likely lives in a permanently vulnerable, intellectual, and emotional state. It’s well known that individuals with mental conditions are susceptible to providing inaccurate and unwarranted 'confessions.'"

"Not only were neighbors not evacuated during the arrest and search of the alleged bomber’s home, they were required to remain in their homes," the congressman wrote. "If the suspect had in fact been engaged in making bombs and stockpiling bomb materials, the proper safety precautions were not taken."

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The official word is that they have phone records and receipts, which would seem more conclusive, but given how trustworthy the Administration is, there could be some hilarious egg-on-face moments in the future, especially after some of them did a touchdown dance in the end zone and talked smack about how the 'Biden FBI' didn't crack the case. Now the lack of K$H gloating has another potential meaning: he doesn't believe it either, but was under pressure to produce a perp. Let's see how this develops.
 
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