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How do you know the person does not have someone close to them that overdosed or came close ( happens a good bit as well people are saved every day by Narcan, in fact at this point you can literally buy it from the drug store.
First, the poster proved in in their response. Second, call it intuition, but I believe nobody in their right mind would defend narco-terrorists if they actually had a close relative or child die from their narcotics. A reasonable person would be out for blood and justice.
 
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yes, they could does not mean that the question does not apply in this case.
Well when it's a new approach it's a matter of results. It has to be tried out first to get those results.
 
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Maybe they feel that it is better to deal with the demand end vs treatment ( which quite frankly I tend to agree with. To be clear I have no issue arresting the big time dealers, but the users and the ones selling small amounts to fund their own habits do not need incarceration ( or if you are going to minimum security incarceration has been shown not to work if it did the drug war would have been over decades ago. instead it has done nothing but get worse and without addressing demand it will keep getting worse and we will keep having people dying. There have been people who have died for lack of those drugs as well and even counties who have gotten quite costly lawsuits for not providing proper medical care during withdraw for newly arrested inmates. Moreover, often times the drug problems start out with needing prescriptions and sometimes still needing them when they are cut off, but the doctors are too scared to over-prescribe them. I have some ideas on that as well but that is not the topic of this thread.
I disagree. These actions have sent a clear message that drug smuggling will not be tolerated. It sends a message that if you decide to transport drugs into the US, you have forfeited your right to live. So you better be prepared to die for your cause. That makes it extremely more difficult for cartel recruitment.
 
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Congress has not declared a single war sense WWII.
Correct! So what was the Korean War, Vietnam War, Desert Storm, Iraq and Afghanistan War, and Operation Inherant/Deliberate Resolve?
 
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First, the poster proved in in their response. Second, call it intuition, but I believe nobody in their right mind would defend narco-terrorists if they actually had a close relative or child die from their narcotics. A reasonable person would be out for blood and justice.
being out for blood would not change anything. Now, justice sure to a certain extent, but in situations like that it can be hard to tell A who sold those drugs. B whether they knew it was more than they were claiming and C what role the person who bought the drugs played. Again, I do not believe that addiction is entirely a choice; still there a certain amount of knowledge to those transactions.
 
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I disagree. These actions have sent a clear message that drug smuggling will not be tolerated. It sends a message that if you decide to transport drugs into the US, you have forfeited your right to live. So you better be prepared to die for your cause. That makes it extremely more difficult for cartel recruitment.
you disagree about what. That treatment does no good.
 
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I think the point was A we are NOT the world's police and B without demand supply goes down with demand there will ALWAYS be a supply one way or another, and in fact when you make something illegal ( not saying that hard drugs should be legal but when you make something illegal and there is a black market supply it will always be worse because you do not know what you are getting
So how do we deal with the demand lest we go back to mass incarnation for drug dealers and users, which I support.
 
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So how do we deal with the demand lest we go back to mass incarnation for drug dealers and users, which I support.
treatment. Which better the way has been proven more effective than incarceration.
 
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you disagree about what. That treatment does no good.
Users can get treatment behind bars. But it would be better if they were unable to have contact with the substance in the first place, even if that mean the smugglers and the vessel blew up into fish chum in the ocean.
 
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treatment. Which better the way has been proven more effective than incarceration.
Statistically, none that I am aware of. Unless you support more drug addicts dying in the streets after growing an extensive criminal rap sheet against innocent civilians. Which is why drug addicts should be incarcerated and the suppliers should be turned into fish chum
 
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According to that would they not have to KNOW they are drug boats not just suspect.
Do you lack such faith in the military and intelligence agencies to believe that they KNEW they had positive ID BEFORE using lethal force?
 
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There is really no way to tell that BECAUSE if they are "smart" they would hide the drugs among the fishing gear meaning that really short of searching the boat there is no way to really prove there are no drugs in those boats.
But in the footage, they are not that smart. SHOW ME THE FISHING GEAR IN THE VELLELS PRIOR TO BLOWING UP! I mean, really, just look at the numerous videos and show me just one fishing rod. Use your brain and dont just blindly believe what the liberal media tells you to believe. This is not a Rorschach test. Just look for yourself.
 
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Do you lack such faith in the military and intelligence agencies to believe that they KNEW they had positive ID BEFORE using lethal force?
Of course they knew what was going on. They even knew where those boats were headed and released that info long before you finally admitted it.
 
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I think their point it we are NOT confirming that we are blowing up things that we think may be that without knowing for CERTAIN. It is not like on land where you may have two buildings one that is a target and one that is not and the one that is not gets destroyed by somewhat accident due to just being close to the target.
Again, look at the videos. All you have seen eas the few moments before and after the vessel exploded. You did not see the hours of ISR information that was uses to make positive identification necessary to use lethal force.
 
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Users can get treatment behind bars. But it would be better if they were unable to have contact with the substance in the first place, even if that mean the smugglers and the vessel blew up into fish chum in the ocean.
except that you can get drugs in prison A and B without treatment they just re-offend you end up spending 1000s and 1000,s sometimes 10,000s to incarcerate someone while they still have access to the drugs and still are not picking up the skills they need to be successful in the real world to stay off drugs and otherwise. Option B is to have labor intensive ( for members of the community judges ECT programs treatment courts that are cheaper, keep non-violent offenders working and out in the community and having a better chance of them staying clean upon release. Now, there are some treatment programs behind bars but the average ones behind bars are not NEARLY as effective ( unless they have other skills with them ( which usually means the program is either out of general population OR in certain secure treatment rehab centers that are part treatment, part minimum security prison in some cases towards the end part half way house. My cousin got out of one of those treatment places in June still on probation been in and out of traditional jail for 20 years.

The other benefit with them being in the community is not only does it allow them to be out with their family, BUT also if their crime was something with a victim say theft to support their drug habit part of their sentence can be paying that back without the person having to wait years for them to get out to get really any serious amount of money back.
 
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Statistically, none that I am aware of. Unless you support more drug addicts dying in the streets after growing an extensive criminal rap sheet against innocent civilians. Which is why drug addicts should be incarcerated and the suppliers should be turned into fish chum
Ever heard of drug court or other problem solving courts for that matter? They are cheaper and more effective.
 
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