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Citizens are fed up with Dem-invited migrants that have disdain for US law and culture

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For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.

But I say, Walk by the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would. But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties, envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5:16, Galatians 5:17, Galatians 5:18, Galatians 5:19, Galatians 5:20, Galatians 5:21 - American Standard Version

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as becometh saints; nor filthiness, nor foolish talking, or jesting, which are not befitting: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know of a surety, that no fornicator, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no man deceive you with empty words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the sons of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them; for ye were once darkness, but are now light in the Lord: walk as children of light (for the fruit of the light is in all goodness and righteousness and truth), proving what is well-pleasing unto the Lord; and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them; for the things which are done by them in secret it is a shame even to speak of. But all things when they are reproved are made manifest by the light: for everything that is made manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake, thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall shine upon thee. Look therefore carefully how ye walk, not as unwise, but as wise; redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. And be not drunken with wine, wherein is riot, but be filled with the Spirit; speaking one to another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord; giving thanks always for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;

So if Christian imperatives need to be the laws of the land, then these imperatives need to be as well. If we are going to desire that our state follow the scriptures, the we should desire they use all of them in their governance. I really don't find anything in scripture that says we only have follow the things we want to. The rest is optional. No, thats not there.
This is about the plight of poor, sick and disenfranchised immigrants seeking help in the U.S. Twisting scripture to undermine the number one mandate given to us by Jesus Christ of Nazareth is well...frankly...heart breaking.
Your argument represents a particular interpretation of the relationship between religious obligation and civil law, but it is one that runs contrary to a significant and widely accepted theological understanding of Christian imperatives, especially regarding compassion and social justice.
The idea that helping immigrants, even the undocumented, is not a Christian imperative because the "law of the land somehow overrides that concept of helping faces a contradiction from the core teachings of our Lord. He commanded us to care for the vulnerable , full stop!
You shared a long list of scripural references trying to justify fallacious reasoning. While Christian theology generally mandates obedience to governing authorities, this obedience is typically understood to be limited when a human law directly compels an action that violates an explicit, primary command of God, such as the command to show mercy and help the needy.
Thanks for sharing.
 
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This is about the plight of poor, sick and disenfranchised immigrants seeking help in the U.S. Twisting scripture to undermine the number one mandate given to us by Jesus Christ of Nazareth is well...frankly...heart breaking.
I am not twisting scripture. I am merely quoting it. I am pointing out that our mandate cannot be cherry picked to suit whatever political cause you want. That goes for everyone. The legitimacy of scripture is diluted when we decide we are going to pick and choose which ones we want to follow. Its diluted even more when we pick and choose which ones we want the government to enforce. We shouldn't do that. That is nothing more than you deciding what kind of Theocracy you want.

Jesus commands are for YOU. You should help the poor. You should help the needy. He does not command governments to. If anyone is twisting scriptures it is those who try and use it for political purposes to force others to care for illegal immigrants whether they want to or not.
Your argument represents a particular interpretation of the relationship between religious obligation and civil law, but it is one that runs contrary to a significant and widely accepted theological understanding of Christian imperatives, especially regarding compassion and social justice.
Incorrect. You and far too many Christian liberals are the ones who are intertwining religious obligation and civil law. Can you please quote Christ or any apostle who says the religious obligations of followers of Christ ought to be codified and enforced by law?

Neither Christ nor the apostles said anything about social justice. That is nothing more than liberal political nonsense. And it does violence to the actual mandates of scripture. The greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart. Are you for forcing that upon civil law?
He commanded us to care for the vulnerable , full stop!
He commanded YOU to do it. It was not a mandate for governmental law. You give out of your own pocket, not someone else's.
While Christian theology generally mandates obedience to governing authorities, this obedience is typically understood to be limited when a human law directly compels an action that violates an explicit, primary command of God, such as the command to show mercy and help the needy.
Thanks for sharing.
Except that scripture also commands other things as well. As I pointed out. Its a violation to pick and choose which ones you want to follow. And its also a violation of scripture to cherry pick which ones you want the government to enforce.

You are commanded to help the needy and to love God by obeying all his commandments. That is for you to do.

If you were trying to give water to the thirsty and the government told you, you can't then you should disobey the government.

Mercy does NOT negate consequences for illegal acts. If someone murdered your loved one you may show them mercy by forgiving them. But that doesn’t mean the government is now obligated to release them.

Justice and mercy are what we should be seeking. And if you are demanding mercy then you should also be demanding justice. Illegals should be rounded up for disobeying the law. They should be treated humanely, given food, water, medical treatment, and their needs should be covered. Then they should face the consequences of their illegal acts and be deported.

8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

15 “ ‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.
 
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I am not twisting scripture. I am merely quoting it. I am pointing out that our mandate cannot be cherry picked to suit whatever political cause you want. That goes for everyone. The legitimacy of scripture is diluted when we decide we are going to pick and choose which ones we want to follow. Its diluted even more when we pick and choose which ones we want the government to enforce. We shouldn't do that. That is nothing more than you deciding what kind of Theocracy you want.

Jesus commands are for YOU. You should help the poor. You should help the needy. He does not command governments to. If anyone is twisting scriptures it is those who try and use it for political purposes to force others to care for illegal immigrants whether they want to or not.

Incorrect. You and far too many Christian liberals are the ones who are intertwining religious obligation and civil law. Can you please quote Christ or any apostle who says the religious obligations of followers of Christ ought to be codified and enforced by law?

Neither Christ nor the apostles said anything about social justice. That is nothing more than liberal political nonsense. And it does violence to the actual mandates of scripture. The greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart. Are you for forcing that upon civil law?

He commanded YOU to do it. It was not a mandate for governmental law. You give out of your own pocket, not someone else's.

Except that scripture also commands other things as well. As I pointed out. Its a violation to pick and choose which ones you want to follow. And its also a violation of scripture to cherry pick which ones you want the government to enforce.

You are commanded to help the needy and to love God by obeying all his commandments. That is for you to do.
Yes, it is for us to do. And we can do it as "we, the people."
If you were trying to give water to the thirsty and the government told you, you can't then you should disobey the government.

Mercy does NOT negate consequences for illegal acts. If someone murdered your loved one you may show them mercy by forgiving them. But that doesn’t mean the government is now obligated to release them.

Justice and mercy are what we should be seeking. And if you are demanding mercy then you should also be demanding justice. Illegals should be rounded up for disobeying the law. They should be treated humanely, given food, water, medical treatment, and their needs should be covered. Then they should face the consequences of their illegal acts and be deported.

8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

15 “ ‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.
Does whatever religious organization you belong to collect your offering along with others' and use some of it for charitable purposes? Who decides how that money is to be used?
 
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Yes, it is for us to do. And we can do it as "we, the people."
Yes we can should we the people choose to and not because scripture commands that "we the people" to do it. We the people can also choose not to.
Does whatever religious organization you belong to collect your offering along with others' and use some of it for charitable purposes? Who decides how that money is to be used?
Yes we do. Because we have a religious mandate to help those in need. We take up a special collection to help the needy. We also have a board of Deacons who decide where the money goes. We seek to determine if the people are truly needy. We also determine if they could use some financial counseling to help them manage their money better.

We feel we have an obligation to be wise with other people's money.
 
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I am not twisting scripture. I am merely quoting it. I am pointing out that our mandate cannot be cherry picked to suit whatever political cause you want. That goes for everyone. The legitimacy of scripture is diluted when we decide we are going to pick and choose which ones we want to follow. Its diluted even more when we pick and choose which ones we want the government to enforce. We shouldn't do that. That is nothing more than you deciding what kind of Theocracy you want.

Jesus commands are for YOU. You should help the poor. You should help the needy. He does not command governments to. If anyone is twisting scriptures it is those who try and use it for political purposes to force others to care for illegal immigrants whether they want to or not.

Incorrect. You and far too many Christian liberals are the ones who are intertwining religious obligation and civil law. Can you please quote Christ or any apostle who says the religious obligations of followers of Christ ought to be codified and enforced by law?

Neither Christ nor the apostles said anything about social justice. That is nothing more than liberal political nonsense. And it does violence to the actual mandates of scripture. The greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart. Are you for forcing that upon civil law?

He commanded YOU to do it. It was not a mandate for governmental law. You give out of your own pocket, not someone else's.

Except that scripture also commands other things as well. As I pointed out. Its a violation to pick and choose which ones you want to follow. And its also a violation of scripture to cherry pick which ones you want the government to enforce.

You are commanded to help the needy and to love God by obeying all his commandments. That is for you to do.

If you were trying to give water to the thirsty and the government told you, you can't then you should disobey the government.

Mercy does NOT negate consequences for illegal acts. If someone murdered your loved one you may show them mercy by forgiving them. But that doesn’t mean the government is now obligated to release them.

Justice and mercy are what we should be seeking. And if you are demanding mercy then you should also be demanding justice. Illegals should be rounded up for disobeying the law. They should be treated humanely, given food, water, medical treatment, and their needs should be covered. Then they should face the consequences of their illegal acts and be deported.

8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

15 “ ‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.
In this case, I am happy to be labeled a liberal.
Thanks for sharing.
 
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In this case, I am happy to be labeled a liberal.
Thanks for sharing.
I dont know if you are or aren't. I just want you not to twist scripture into some sort of political document for your personal political cause. Its a violation of scripture to do so.
 
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Yes we can should we the people choose to and not because scripture commands that "we the people" to do it. We the people can also choose not to.
Yes we can.
Yes we do. Because we have a religious mandate to help those in need. We take up a special collection to help the needy. We also have a board of Deacons who decide where the money goes. We seek to determine if the people are truly needy. We also determine if they could use some financial counseling to help them manage their money better.

We feel we have an obligation to be wise with other people's money.
If the board of Deacons decides to give some of the money to people you don't think deserve it, do you withhold your contribution?
 
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I dont know if you are or aren't. I just want you not to twist scripture into some sort of political document for your personal political cause. Its a violation of scripture to do so.
How so? Or is that a right you reserve to yourself?
 
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