For those who are gamers, how do you handle Christian Ethics vs gaming?

CoreyD · Monday at 4:58 PM

jonojim1337 said:
Ok but this doesn’t negate the fact that God has ordained both royalty and clergy. This is clearly stated in the Bible and I shouldn’t need to back it up.

I don't see how royalty and clergy relate to the topic, but I would like to know what royalty and clergy you are referring to, because there are many, and I don't know what Bible or scripture you mean, because there are many of those as well.

jonojim1337 · Monday at 5:27 PM

CoreyD said:
I don't see how royalty and clergy relate to the topic, but I would like to know what royalty and clergy you are referring to, because there are many, and I don't know what Bible or scripture you mean, because there are many of those as well.

Revelation 1:6

To my knowledge there’s actually only one lineage that uses the cross in their heraldry, to signify descent of that line, and that would be the Rurikids with some branches. Of course, you will find many other Biblical themes in many other lineages.

As for the priestly class, that would be the Apostles and the book of Acts, and the history that followed. Albeit, we received a thousand years of made up time thanks to the Reformation, and a lot of ancient history, that never was.

CoreyD · Monday at 5:54 PM

jonojim1337 said:
Revelation 1:6

To my knowledge there’s actually only one lineage that uses the cross in their heraldry, to signify descent of that line, and that would be the Rurikids with some branches. Of course, you will find many other Biblical themes in many other lineages.

As for the priestly class, that would be the Apostles and the book of Acts, and the history that followed. Albeit, we received a thousand years of made up time thanks to the Reformation, and a lot of ancient history, that never was.

This is far off topic, and I am not discussing that here.
I'll just say the cross is not Christian, and Revelation refers to priests and kings in the kingdom rule of 1,000 years.

However, that's totally off the rails of this thread. You might want to start a new thread, rather than derail this very interesting one, which a lot of persons identifying as Christian, might not like very much, since their religion never touch on Bible principles that address modern day technology and God's view of their content.

jonojim1337 · Monday at 5:57 PM

CoreyD said:
This is far off topic, and I am not discussing that here.
I'll just say the cross is not Christian, and Revelation refers to priests and kings in the kingdom rule of 1,000 years.

However, that's totally off the rails of this thread. You might want to start a new thread, rather than derail this very interesting one, which a lot of persons identifying as Christian, might not like very much, since their religion never touch on Bible principles that address modern day technology and God's view of their content.

Those who rule with Christ come from tribes of Israel solely. The other ones are not resurrected until after the 1000 years.

And the verse was said by the author of Revelation and was valid in his time. But don’t trust the history books on when that was. It’s encoded in a horoscope in the book itself.

com7fy8 · Monday at 6:37 PM

Delvianna said:
I meant buying new games, not returning to old ones. I'm struggling finding any new game to buy that isn't littered with problems.

I think of this > maybe, in any case, buy a game that "they" can not come back into, later, and change things - - if this is possible.

Aren't there offers that let you try the game before you buy it? And how about communicating with them and asking if they have "pure" games, or might consider having a pure line.

And, yes . . . what about Christian games? I would think that, by now . . . . we have Jesus people who are pretty expert in computer operations.

And . . . if they don't . . . won't some AI device come along, with which you can custom design games ? ? ? If you can photo-op, you can game-op, I would think. Maybe get some Christians going on this, before anyone in mainstream thinks of it . . . if they haven't.

And, if you can choose characters, I am sure designers can make you able to choose house decorations and be able to censor things, like how you can take out unwanted things in a photo.

CoreyD · Monday at 6:59 PM

com7fy8 said:
And, yes . . . what about Christian games? I would think that, by now . . . . we have Jesus people who are pretty expert in computer operations.

That's a good point.
I watched two animated movies made in 3d, and there were really funny, and beautifully made I would say.
There are indeed talented people out there who want to give people entertainment that is proper for Christians, and I appreciate that.

I haven't come across any Christian games, but I'm sure that's because I haven't searched for any.
Doing a quick search...
Several games based on the biblical story of Noah's Ark have been developed across different platforms and formats. One notable title is Noah's Ark, a platform game originally released in 1992 for the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) by British studio Source Research & Development and published by Konami in Europe.
That sounds interesting.

This one, however, seems too close to the world for me, unless there are wild animals attacking the player.
Super 3D Noah's Ark, is a non-violent Christian first-person shooter developed by Wisdom Tree and released for the Super NES in 1994 and MS-DOS in 1995. It uses the Wolfenstein 3D engine but replaces combat with a slingshot that shoots food to knock out animals like goats and elephants.

Yes. With AI, it's possible to have your characters and props exactly how you want them, even without artist skills.

CoreyD · Monday at 8:36 PM

I decided to do a search for video games for Christians, and the first I came across is this:

Gate Zero | Video Game by Bible X

Travel back in time to explore ancient Israel, overcome opposing forces and experience the Bible firsthand.

gatezero.game

The next, is TruPlay.
I'm not sure of the content, but it shows that games are being made for those that believe in Jesus, and they have kids in mind, and learning.

AstralHammer · Wednesday at 11:05 AM

I cannot wait until Gate Zero comes out. I've had it on my wishlist for some time.
I have created a criteria to base my future gaming off of.

Must be MMO or persistent multiplayer
Absolutely no non-Christian deity worship or deity-sourced powers (no gods, pantheons, altars, blessings, priests, divine magic, etc.)
No furry / anthro / beast race options (playable or major NPCs)
Arcane or learned magic is fine
Elemental / natural magic is fine
PvE-friendly content required (safe zones, PvE servers, or opt-in PvP only)
Crafting, building, or housing systems (the deeper the better)
Active playerbase in 2025 (not dead or <100 concurrent)
Actually released and playable now (or very close with confirmed global date)

I've been doing some research and have came up with these games that interest me.
War of Rights
Star Citizen
Albion Online
Myth of Empires
Corepunk
Avorion
…and Bellatores on the 2026 watchlist. English will be supported in the full release but is not supported in closed beta.

I am still researching to enhance my list of possible games to try out. The list might not be perfect and I still trying to refine it and might have to trim something out. Maybe one of them will actually work out.

Man's doctrine may change, but God does not.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. - Hebrews 13:8

CoreyD · Thursday at 10:10 AM

AstralHammer said:
I cannot wait until Gate Zero comes out. I've had it on my wishlist for some time.
I have created a criteria to base my future gaming off of.

Must be MMO or persistent multiplayer
Absolutely no non-Christian deity worship or deity-sourced powers (no gods, pantheons, altars, blessings, priests, divine magic, etc.)
No furry / anthro / beast race options (playable or major NPCs)
Arcane or learned magic is fine
Elemental / natural magic is fine
PvE-friendly content required (safe zones, PvE servers, or opt-in PvP only)
Crafting, building, or housing systems (the deeper the better)
Active playerbase in 2025 (not dead or <100 concurrent)
Actually released and playable now (or very close with confirmed global date)

I've been doing some research and have came up with these games that interest me.
War of Rights
Star Citizen
Albion Online
Myth of Empires
Corepunk
Avorion
…and Bellatores on the 2026 watchlist. English will be supported in the full release but is not supported in closed beta.

I am still researching to enhance my list of possible games to try out. The list might not be perfect and I still trying to refine it and might have to trim something out. Maybe one of them will actually work out.

Man's doctrine may change, but God does not.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. - Hebrews 13:8

That's an interesting bit of information.
I've never heard about until now.
I had to research it.

Arcane magic, also known as learned magic, is a disciplined and scholarly pursuit that involves the study and mastery of magical principles through rigorous training and knowledge acquisition. It is typically drawn from invisible streams of energy known as arcane currents, which flow through reality and can be harnessed by those who understand their patterns. Practitioners of arcane magic, such as wizards, sorcerers, warlocks, and bards, often rely on incantations, gestures, arcane runes, and tools like wands or spellbooks to channel and focus this power. +source The magic is often described as a form of science or mathematics, involving precise calculations and formulas to manipulate the fabric of reality.

When I read this, I wondered, '...but how would one go about determining what kind of magic God required his people to stay away from, when he said, "you shall not practice magic." Leviticus 19:26, and "There shall not be found among you ... anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer, casts spells... For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD." Deuteronomy 18:10, 12"

Learned magic was available, from the beginning, even into the first century.
When Paul was performing miracles, and the people saw the power of God, over that of the magic practicing Jews, "a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver." Acts 19:19

What were the arts learned by the Babylonian (Daniel 1:20), Philistines (Isaiah 2:6), and Egyptian(Exodus 7:11) priests?

Evidence of arcane or learned magic in ancient Egypt and Babylon is well-documented through literary, religious, and material sources. Sources 1 2 3

In ancient Egypt, magical practice was deeply integrated into religious and medical traditions, with practitioners known as lector-priests (ẖry-ḥb), who were highly educated and served as ritual specialists. These individuals were responsible for reciting incantations, performing healing rituals, and conducting ceremonies such as the "Opening of the Mouth" to ensure the deceased’s passage into the afterlife. The concept of Heka, a divine force believed to be capable of manipulating reality, underpinned much of their practice, blurring the line between magic, religion, and medicine. Magical texts, including funerary spells and daily-use incantations, provide detailed instructions on rituals, tools, and materials, indicating a structured and learned tradition. The title "ḥarṭummīm," used in the Hebrew Bible to describe Egyptian magicians, is a Hebrew rendering of the Egyptian "ẖry-ḥb," confirming the elite status and scholarly nature of these practitioners.

In Babylon, magic was similarly institutionalized and tied to priestly and scholarly roles. The Chaldeans, who were regarded as a colony of the Egyptians by Diodorus of Sicily, were known for their expertise in astronomy and divination, which were considered forms of magical knowledge. Babylonian magicians, or "Chaldeans," were consulted for interpreting dreams and omens, as seen in the biblical accounts of King Nebuchadnezzar and King Belshazzar summoning them to interpret dreams and mysterious inscriptions like "Mene, Tekel, Perez". The practice of divination using arrows, known as Rhabdomanteia, was also documented among the Babylonians, reflecting a systematic approach to magical consultation. The high regard for magical knowledge is further evidenced by King Darius, son of Hystaspes, who had the inscription "That he had been the chief and the master of the Magi of Persia" engraved on his father’s mausoleum, highlighting the prestige of magical expertise in the region.

In ancient Egypt, arcane or learned magic was deeply intertwined with literacy, religious practice, and the possession of secret knowledge, primarily transmitted through written texts.
History of Magic
Magic in Ancient Egypt

I think you just added to the interest of this thread, and my knowledge.
Fascinating stuff!
The learned magician was often depicted as a scholar who derived power from written spells and sacred books. The famous Demotic tales of Setne Khaemwaset, son of Ramesses II, exemplify this archetype; Setne’s quest for the Book of Thoth symbolizes the acquisition of arcane knowledge that grants control over supernatural forces.

Similarly, in the story of Djedi, a hundred-year-old magician summoned by King Hordjedef, his powers are explicitly tied to written knowledge - he demands a boat to carry his students and writings, emphasizing the importance of textual transmission.
This model of the literate magician, who uses written spells to manipulate reality, was central to both literary and non-literary magical traditions.

The use of written magic was reinforced by the belief that writing itself had transformative power.
The Egyptians believed that inscribing a name or image could influence reality, a principle seen in execration texts where figurines of enemies were inscribed with their names and then destroyed to symbolically defeat them. Magical papyri, such as the Harris Magical Papyrus and the Metternich Stela, contain spells that combine mythological references (translation magic), analogic principles (like affects like), and contagious magic (using objects imbued with power). These texts were often used by the literate elite, as most Egyptians were not able to read, and spells were sometimes activated by drinking water that had been poured over a stela.

Even in the Graeco-Roman period, learned magicians continued to play significant roles, using Greek and Demotic scripts, along with non-alphabetic magical signs (charaktêres) and incantations (voces magicae), to invoke ancient, secret knowledge. The figure of the magician was not limited to priests; doctors, midwives, and wise women also employed ḥeka in healing and protection, though the most powerful forms of magic were associated with those who had access to written traditions and temple libraries.

It makes sense, doesn't it, that this knowledge would be passed on to man, through fallen angels.
When you think about it, can the science of computers and similar devices be use to perform arcane magic? Nothing to doubt. People already believe this is happening.

@Delvianna would you agree?
As for me, the wisdom of applying the first part of Proverbs 22:3 is necessary here.

A sensible person sees danger and takes cover, but the inexperienced keep going and are punished.

Delvianna · Thursday at 10:25 AM

CoreyD said:
That's an interesting bit of information.
I've never heard about until now.
I had to research it.

Arcane magic, also known as learned magic, is a disciplined and scholarly pursuit that involves the study and mastery of magical principles through rigorous training and knowledge acquisition. It is typically drawn from invisible streams of energy known as arcane currents, which flow through reality and can be harnessed by those who understand their patterns. Practitioners of arcane magic, such as wizards, sorcerers, warlocks, and bards, often rely on incantations, gestures, arcane runes, and tools like wands or spellbooks to channel and focus this power. +source The magic is often described as a form of science or mathematics, involving precise calculations and formulas to manipulate the fabric of reality.

When I read this, I wondered, '...but how would one go about determining what kind of magic God required his people to stay away from, when he said, "you shall not practice magic." Leviticus 19:26, and "There shall not be found among you ... anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer, casts spells... For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD." Deuteronomy 18:10, 12"

Learned magic was available, from the beginning, even into the first century.
When Paul was performing miracles, and the people saw the power of God, over that of the magic practicing Jews, "a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver." Acts 19:19

What were the arts learned by the Babylonian (Daniel 1:20), Philistines (Isaiah 2:6), and Egyptian(Exodus 7:11) priests?

Evidence of arcane or learned magic in ancient Egypt and Babylon is well-documented through literary, religious, and material sources. Sources 1 2 3

In ancient Egypt, magical practice was deeply integrated into religious and medical traditions, with practitioners known as lector-priests (ẖry-ḥb), who were highly educated and served as ritual specialists. These individuals were responsible for reciting incantations, performing healing rituals, and conducting ceremonies such as the "Opening of the Mouth" to ensure the deceased’s passage into the afterlife. The concept of Heka, a divine force believed to be capable of manipulating reality, underpinned much of their practice, blurring the line between magic, religion, and medicine. Magical texts, including funerary spells and daily-use incantations, provide detailed instructions on rituals, tools, and materials, indicating a structured and learned tradition. The title "ḥarṭummīm," used in the Hebrew Bible to describe Egyptian magicians, is a Hebrew rendering of the Egyptian "ẖry-ḥb," confirming the elite status and scholarly nature of these practitioners.

In Babylon, magic was similarly institutionalized and tied to priestly and scholarly roles. The Chaldeans, who were regarded as a colony of the Egyptians by Diodorus of Sicily, were known for their expertise in astronomy and divination, which were considered forms of magical knowledge. Babylonian magicians, or "Chaldeans," were consulted for interpreting dreams and omens, as seen in the biblical accounts of King Nebuchadnezzar and King Belshazzar summoning them to interpret dreams and mysterious inscriptions like "Mene, Tekel, Perez". The practice of divination using arrows, known as Rhabdomanteia, was also documented among the Babylonians, reflecting a systematic approach to magical consultation. The high regard for magical knowledge is further evidenced by King Darius, son of Hystaspes, who had the inscription "That he had been the chief and the master of the Magi of Persia" engraved on his father’s mausoleum, highlighting the prestige of magical expertise in the region.

In ancient Egypt, arcane or learned magic was deeply intertwined with literacy, religious practice, and the possession of secret knowledge, primarily transmitted through written texts.
History of Magic
Magic in Ancient Egypt

I think you just added to the interest of this thread, and my knowledge.
Fascinating stuff!
The learned magician was often depicted as a scholar who derived power from written spells and sacred books. The famous Demotic tales of Setne Khaemwaset, son of Ramesses II, exemplify this archetype; Setne’s quest for the Book of Thoth symbolizes the acquisition of arcane knowledge that grants control over supernatural forces.

Similarly, in the story of Djedi, a hundred-year-old magician summoned by King Hordjedef, his powers are explicitly tied to written knowledge - he demands a boat to carry his students and writings, emphasizing the importance of textual transmission.
This model of the literate magician, who uses written spells to manipulate reality, was central to both literary and non-literary magical traditions.

The use of written magic was reinforced by the belief that writing itself had transformative power.
The Egyptians believed that inscribing a name or image could influence reality, a principle seen in execration texts where figurines of enemies were inscribed with their names and then destroyed to symbolically defeat them. Magical papyri, such as the Harris Magical Papyrus and the Metternich Stela, contain spells that combine mythological references (translation magic), analogic principles (like affects like), and contagious magic (using objects imbued with power). These texts were often used by the literate elite, as most Egyptians were not able to read, and spells were sometimes activated by drinking water that had been poured over a stela.

Even in the Graeco-Roman period, learned magicians continued to play significant roles, using Greek and Demotic scripts, along with non-alphabetic magical signs (charaktêres) and incantations (voces magicae), to invoke ancient, secret knowledge. The figure of the magician was not limited to priests; doctors, midwives, and wise women also employed ḥeka in healing and protection, though the most powerful forms of magic were associated with those who had access to written traditions and temple libraries.

It makes sense, doesn't it, that this knowledge would be passed on to man, through fallen angels.
When you think about it, can the science of computers and similar devices be use to perform arcane magic? Nothing to doubt. People already believe this is happening.

@Delvianna would you agree?
As for me, the wisdom of applying the first part of Proverbs 22:3 is necessary here.

A sensible person sees danger and takes cover, but the inexperienced keep going and are punished.

I don't think it's really knowledge though, but I do think it's passed off as knowledge. For instance, ultimately the power comes from either God or demons, there is no 3rd option. We know God has power (I mean, I don't think I need to back that up lol) but Satan does too! An example of this is that the false prophet in Revelation is able to call down fire from heaven (Revelation 13:13) and back during Moses, Pharoh's "magicians" were able to duplicate the staff turning into a snake, water to blood and frogs but there was stuff they couldn't do:

"But the magicians tried to produce gnats by their secret arts, but they could not. So there were gnats on man and beast. Then the magicians said to Pharaoh, 'This is the finger of God.'" (Exodus 8:18–19)

So back to the false prophet, what comes out of his mouth?

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet." - Revelation 16:13

So that is who is giving them power. So essentially, it's kind of like Satan sets up something that demons carry out. Does the act itself do anything? Nope, but the demons are told that if someone does this act, to carry it through because ultimately it defiles themselves.

So when it comes to the concept of arcane magic, like it's the "force" in Star Wars, I don't agree and I think that concept alone is a trap to get people to think they can wield power outside it being backed by demons, when I don't think is the case. I mean, what is Satans ultimate argument? You can be your own god, right? The idea of arcane magic, I think pushes that narrative of 'gods' all the while cleverly making it more appealing like it has nothing to do with Satan and his minions...

CoreyD · Thursday at 10:45 AM

Delvianna said:
I don't think it's really knowledge though, but I do think it's passed off as knowledge. For instance, ultimately the power comes from either God or demons, there is no 3rd option. We know God has power (I mean, I don't think I need to back that up lol) but Satan does too! An example of this is that the false prophet in Revelation is able to call down fire from heaven (Revelation 13:13) and back during Moses, Pharoh's "magicians" were able to duplicate the staff turning into a snake, water to blood and frogs but there was stuff they couldn't do:

So back to the false prophet, what comes out of his mouth?

So that is who is giving them power. So essentially, it's kind of like Satan sets up something that demons carry out. Does the act itself do anything? Nope, but the demons are told that if someone does this act, to carry it through because ultimately it defiles themselves.

So when it comes to the concept of arcane magic, like it's the "force" in Star Wars, I don't agree and I think that concept alone is a trap to get people to think they can wield power outside it being backed by demons, when I don't think is the case. I mean, what is Satans ultimate argument? You can be your own god, right? The idea of arcane magic, I think pushes that narrative of 'gods' all the while cleverly making it more appealing like it has nothing to do with Satan and his minions...

In other words, people think they are actually manipulating natural elements, by their own efforts and abilities, when in fact they are being manipulated, by the unseen forces... sort of like when they think they see aliens, but aren't aware that what they are seeing, is what they are being manipulated to see.
That makes sense, and it certainly explains why they use things such as wands, and other objects, which the demons work through.
I was thinking of those same scriptures you used. They strengthen the point.
No wonder God told his people to stay far from magic, or divination... not even casting spells.

This knowledge is timely for me, because I am dealing with what I believe is divination being practiced where I am living.
I don't know how the person is able to do what they do, but this arcane magic explains it. I know it's with the help of demons, but I now have a better understanding of it.
Great stuff!

AstralHammer · Thursday at 10:51 AM

@CoreyD
@Delvianna
You have very focused responses. Thank you. It's all certainly something to think about and I appreciate the accompanying verses from the Bible.

I don't think you can ever look too deep into all of this.

I do find it difficult finding video games to play these days as opposed to before when I far away from God or was less mature in the relationship I have with Him.

That is a very interesting not about mathematics, especially in what is part of everyday that we feel we can explain away as opposed to our ancestors in which I am sure they would explain it all as magic, demonic even. This gives me something to think about, as their view could have possibly been spot on if they were exposed to many of things we have in our everyday lives today.

AstralHammer · Thursday at 10:57 AM

@CoreyD
@Delvianna
If I banned magic from my list of online games to play, that certainly would narrow the games I am interested in. That goes without mentioning whether technology or mathematics is a form a magic in these games, because the list does carry science in there that could be construed as magic. Especially with the space games.

Here is my list updated without magic.

War of Rights
Star Citizen
Fallout 76
Myth of Empires
Avorion

Delvianna · Thursday at 11:01 AM

CoreyD said:
In other words, people think they are actually manipulating natural elements, by their own efforts and abilities, when in fact they are being manipulated, by the unseen forces... sort of like when they think they see aliens, but aren't aware that what they are seeing, is what they are being manipulated to see.
That makes sense, and it certainly explains why they use things such as wands, and other objects, which the demons work through.
I was thinking of those same scriptures you used. They strengthen the point.
No wonder God told his people to stay far from magic, or divination... not even casting spells.

This knowledge is timely for me, because I am dealing with what I believe is divination being practiced where I am living.
I don't know how the person is able to do what they do, but this arcane magic explains it. I know it's with the help of demons, but I now have a better understanding of it.
Great stuff!

So glad I can help! So like in witchcraft, I don't doubt they can make stuff happen! I'm not even going to debate that because it makes a lot of sense that Satan gives you a counterfeit option. If it didn't work, it wouldn't be appealing to people then. It's like Satan says, "God says no or he takes too long but you can get it for yourself!" and then gives you what you want. You've essentially made demons your god even if you don't label it as such. God sees the context in what is going on which is why you have instances in scripture where God calls out stuff as it is, regardless of how others frame it.

"They say to wood, 'You are my father,' and to stone, 'You gave me birth.' They have turned their backs to me and not their faces; yet when they are in trouble, they say, 'Come and save us!'" - Jeremiah 2:27

This verse is talking about idols that was made from wood and stone, but while the reference is idols, God calls it like it is... wood and stone.
Which is why I think context matters in everything and ultimately, what does it mean passed the word choice. Because even if someone labels their practice of "I'm not worshiping demons!" when demons are the one carrying out your rituals, to use God's phrasing, you've turned them into your god and are doing exactly that, worshiping demons.

So when you look at people around you and what they're doing and you wonder how they're doing it, it's because demons are doing it and it gives them no reason to turn to God when they're getting what they want.

Delvianna · Thursday at 11:04 AM

AstralHammer said:
@CoreyD
@Delvianna
You have very focused responses. Thank you. It's all certainly something to think about and I appreciate the accompanying verses from the Bible.

I don't think you can ever look too deep into all of this.

I do find it difficult finding video games to play these days as opposed to before when I far away from God or was less mature in the relationship I have with Him.

That is a very interesting not about mathematics, especially in what is part of everyday that we feel we can explain away as opposed to our ancestors in which I am sure they would explain it all as magic, demonic even. This gives me something to think about, as their view could have possibly been spot on if they were exposed to many of things we have in our everyday lives today.

And its this reason that they said Jesus had a demon. They were so used to magic and power because it was abundant in pagan cultures. So any power shown by God to them was demonic. But always remember though that power in itself isn't wrong, it just depends on where it comes from. God's power always glorifies the Father. Satans always glorifies the self.

AstralHammer · Thursday at 11:26 AM

Regarding games, what if it is all fiction?

CoreyD · Thursday at 11:42 AM

AstralHammer said:
I do find it difficult finding video games to play these days as opposed to before when I far away from God or was less mature in the relationship I have with Him.

I can't agree with you more.
The way I see it, is this is Satan's world, and so, it is expected that it would be harder and harder to find content that is appropriate for people seeking to please God.
Satan doesn't want anyone to please God!

Do you hear families complaining about not finding appropriate content for them to watch with their children?
Do you notice what they are putting in "Children's movies"?
I watched Sonic the Hedgehog, and tried to pass off the magic as alien ability, or technology (even though I considered super aliens a product of Satan's design). I felt bad after, and decided I would not watch any more.
I didn't even realize there were a few inappropriate words and expressions in the movie.

What Satan offers is appealing and really excites the flesh, so it can be hard to resist, but I realize that it calls for a determined effort to "Love the Lord God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength".
This is because of the fallen flesh Romans 7:15-20, and the treacherous heart Jeremiah 17:9.
I realize it can be done, because I dumped all the music, and games I enjoyed after learning how God feels about the things I enjoyed listening to, and playing.

Afterward, I felt really good, and I immersed myself in things that were "true, honorable, right, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent or praiseworthy" Philippians 4:8, knowing that I had God's approval and blessing... which is more important than "to enjoy the fleeting pleasures [[or enjoyment] of sin". Hebrews 11:25

Besides, there are alternatives. There are really creative adventure and puzzle games that inspired me to make games, and I have many games planned, which I have decided to make a start, before I get totally left behind.
I liked a puzzle game that really inspired me... which had great graphics, and a boy that has to use a grappling hook to get to the end of the level, and it calls for really using your brain.... which is why I took a liking to puzzle adventure games.
It's not a resent game, so I can't find it, but I'll keep looking.

Actually, I liked these games from the old school point and click games, where you needed to use your head to get through the game.
These, are better than senselessly shooting at hoards of enemies, and much of the meaningless games I see being made.
So, I hope I can inspire some of you guys to get into making video games.

CoreyD · Thursday at 11:46 AM

Delvianna said:
And its this reason that they said Jesus had a demon. They were so used to magic and power because it was abundant in pagan cultures. So any power shown by God to them was demonic. But always remember though that power in itself isn't wrong, it just depends on where it comes from. God's power always glorifies the Father. Satans always glorifies the self.

They did say Jesus got his power from the ruler of the demons, so they did understand that magical powers were from spirits. That's interested, isn't it.
It shows that people were aware of the angelic beings, and deliberately involved themselves with them, so that they could have personal gain.

CoreyD · Thursday at 11:54 AM

AstralHammer said:
@CoreyD
@Delvianna
If I banned magic from my list of online games to play, that certainly would narrow the games I am interested in. That goes without mentioning whether technology or mathematics is a form a magic in these games, because the list does carry science in there that could be construed as magic. Especially with the space games.

Here is my list updated without magic.

War of Rights
Star Citizen
Fallout 76
Myth of Empires
Avorion

I'm not going to take a look at the list, because I might be critical, and then your list might be blank.

So, I'll let you decide... unless you really would like me to evaluate it from the scriptural perspective.

Delvianna · Thursday at 12:19 PM

AstralHammer said:
Regarding games, what if it is all fiction?

I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea of fiction in general, but it can go south quickly when you start making up deities and stuff. I think a great idea would be to look at some Christian Fiction writers like CS Lewis. I don't think Tolkien's works is all that ethically stable, but I think Lewis does a greater job at how you can merge fiction while staying in the boundaries of scripture.

For those who are gamers, how do you handle Christian Ethics vs gaming?

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