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I pasted what I wrote into chat gpt and it gave me this

Rev 12 commentary

1. THE WOMAN = ISRAEL Revelation 12:1 uses Genesis 37:9–10. Sun = Jacob. Moon = Rachel. Twelve stars = tribes of Israel. Thus the woman = covenant Israel, the Old Covenant people who produced the Messiah, the apostles, and the first Judean Christian remnant.

2. THE MALE CHILD = JESUS Revelation 12:5: Messiah destined to rule (Psalm 2). Family flees to Egypt to escape Herod. Maybe they were gone 3.5 years. Don't know what the Jesus caught up to heaven thing is.


3. THE HERODS = all the different HEADS & HORNS OF THE DRAGON/BEAST Herod the Great — tried to kill infant Jesus (Matthew 2:13–18) Herod Archelaus — avoided by Joseph due to violence (Matthew 2:22) Herod Antipas — killed John (Mark 6), mocked Jesus (Luke 23:7–11) Herod Philip — tetrarch Herod Agrippa I — killed James, imprisoned Peter (Acts 12) Herod Agrippa II — opposed Paul (Acts 25–26), backed Rome Herodian women — Bernice, Drusilla, Salome (Acts 24:24; Josephus) All persecuted Christ and His people. They were the dragon’s earthly instrument.

4. THE WAR IN HEAVEN WAS LITERAL Jesus Himself said: Luke 10:18 — “I saw Satan FALL like lightning from heaven.” John 12:31 — “NOW is the judgment of this world; NOW shall the prince of this world be CAST OUT.” Revelation 12:7–9: Michael defeats Satan; Satan expelled; Satan descends to attack Jerusalem and the Church. Daniel 12:1: “Michael shall stand up… there shall be a time of trouble.” This time = 66–70 AD

5. 1 ENOCH 70-GENERATION PROPHECY 1 Enoch 10: angels bound “for 70 generations, until the day of judgment.” Using Septuagint genealogies: Enoch → 70 generations → Jesus. Thus Jesus arrives precisely when the countdown ends. The war in heaven, Satan’s fall, and Jerusalem’s destruction complete Enoch’s prophecy

6. THE SECOND COMING WAS LITERAL AND VISIBLE IN 70 AD Revelation 1:7 — “Every eye shall SEE Him, even those who pierced Him.” “Those who pierced Him” = the Sanhedrin still alive. Jesus predicted this exact visible event: Matthew 24:30 — “They shall SEE the Son of Man coming in the clouds…” Matthew 16:27 — “The Son of Man will come… WITH HIS ANGELS.

Matthew 26:64 — “YOU will SEE the Son of Man at the right hand of Power, coming in the clouds.” Judeans literally saw Jesus above Jerusalem: — At the right hand of the Father — In the clouds — Surrounded by all the holy angels

7. JOSEPHUS CONFIRMS some SKY SIGNS Wars 6.5.3 (Whiston): “Before sunset, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running among the clouds and surrounding cities." Tacitus said the same, and the same kind of thing was seen when God was judging Jerusalem in 1/2 Maccabees in the 100s BC


8. THE MOURNING OF JUDEA Revelation 1:7 — “All tribes of the LAND will mourn.” Two types: • Terror — those dying in Jerusalem saw Jesus and mourned in horror. • Repentance — Christian Judeans fleeing to Pella saw Jesus and mourned for rejecting Him. Fulfills Zechariah 12:10 — “They shall look upon Me whom they pierced and mourn.”
9. THE WOMAN’S FLIGHT = PELLA Revelation 12:14–16: The Judean Christians are taken out of the promise land on Eagle’s wings), just like God took their ancient ancestors out of Egypt on eagles wings (Exodus 19:4. They had to cross the Jordan to get into the promise land now they are fleeing the old covenant promise land over the Jordan to Pella. The devil tries to flood the Jordan but God swallows the water. Flight to Pella - Wikipedia

10. THE WOES OF JESUS = THE WOES OF REVELATION Matthew 23 — Seven Woes upon Pharisees: “All these things shall come upon THIS generation.” Revelation 8–12 — Three Woes upon Jerusalem, “the city where their Lord was crucified” (Rev 11:8). Revelation’s woes = execution of Matthew 23.

11. REVELATION 9 — APOLLYON = TITUS OF LEGIO XV APOLLINARIS Revelation 9:11 — “Apollyon” = Apollo. Titus commanded Legion XV Apollinaris (Apollo’s legion). Locusts = armies (Joel 1–2). Roman siege machinery fits the imagery. Thus: locusts = Roman armies; king = Apollo → Titus.

12. REVELATION 11 — TRAMPLING OF THE TEMPLE Revelation 11:2 — Holy city trampled 42 months = 66–70 AD. Revelation 11:8 — “Where their Lord was crucified” = Jerusalem. Revelation 11:19 — Heavenly ark appears; earthly Temple replaced.

that is the main parts of Rev 1-12 I know. In the first few pages of Rev 1 Jesus said the time is near, soon, at hand, and he tells one church he is coming back in their generation. Rev 1-12 was just Gods judgement on Judea for killing Jesus, the apostles and for all the blood shed in history back to Abel.

Rev 13-22 is future still not until 4400-4500 AD based on 1 Enoch's 10,000 year prophecy
Jesus ben Ananias - Wikipedia sounds like one of the two witnesses but does not match. whoever they were they happened. gospel of nicodemus, history of joseph the carpenter, apocalypse of peter all internally written pre 70 ad, and i believe are inspired said it was going to be enoch and elijah
 

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If that's true, where is Jesus now? The 2nd coming starts his personal and literal reign in Israel as the worlds capital is Jerusalem. (Micah 4:2, Isaiah 2:3, Zechariah 14:16) Plus, we're almost 2,000 years passed 70AD, so all of scripture doesn't back up your theory. You can't have conflicting information and what I listed conflicts with your statements.

Also, 70AD doesn't fulfill Daniel 9, 11 & 12 either which still puts this future which has parallel information in Revelation which conflicts with a lot of these answers.

ALL AI IS BIASED. It bases it's answers on what you want to hear. Even the creators say so. Do not let any AI be your brain, it's logic isn't perfect and its answers are biased. For example, there is a viral video of a woman who follows the quaran. She asks chatgpt if it would become muslim and it says yes. She asked which follows Jesus more, Muslims or Christians and its answer is Muslims. Biased answers, based on her own input reguardless of the fact she asked for a non-biased answer because it's programmed to do that. (Link to that video, you can check out her other chatgpt questions about Muslims and one where chatgpt becomes muslim). Do not trust AI for scripture study.
 
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If that's true, where is Jesus now? The 2nd coming starts his personal and literal reign in Israel as the worlds capital is Jerusalem. (Micah 4:2, Isaiah 2:3, Zechariah 14:16) Plus, we're almost 2,000 years passed 70AD, so all of scripture doesn't back up your theory. You can't have conflicting information and what I listed conflicts with your statements.

Also, 70AD doesn't fulfill Daniel 9, 11 & 12 either which still puts this future which has parallel information in Revelation which conflicts with a lot of these answers.

ALL AI IS BIASED. It bases it's answers on what you want to hear. Even the creators say so. Do not let any AI be your brain, it's logic isn't perfect and its answers are biased. For example, there is a viral video of a woman who follows the quaran. She asks chatgpt if it would become muslim and it says yes. She asked which follows Jesus more, Muslims or Christians and its answer is Muslims. Biased answers, based on her own input reguardless of the fact she asked for a non-biased answer because it's programmed to do that. (Link to that video, you can check out her other chatgpt questions about Muslims and one where chatgpt becomes muslim). Do not trust AI for scripture study.
Micah 2 was about Pentecost. Israel was restored on Pentecost new covenant church the third temple was born in a day. I have a post on it. Zech 14 happened in 1/2 maccabees. Isaiah 2 was pentecost too.
Dan 9, and 12 ended 70 AD. Dan 11 ended before 70 AD whenever it was.

I already know the answers chat gpt just formats it nicely for me.
Chat gpt is awesome for the bible.
Trust AI for scripture.

Rev 13-22 is future.
 
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Micah 2 was about Pentecost. Israel was restored on Pentecost new covenant church the third temple was born in a day. I have a post on it. Zech 14 happened in 1/2 maccabees. Isaiah 2 was pentecost too.
Dan 9, and 12 ended 70 AD. Dan 11 ended before 70 AD whenever it was.

I already know the answers chat gpt just formats it nicely for me.
Chat gpt is awesome for the bible.
Trust AI for scripture.

Rev 13-22 is future.
AI is not the Holy Spirit and I have found failures when it tries to interpret. The Holy Spirit is supposed to guide (John 16:13) and if you trust AI's answers over God's guidance, you're making AI an idol. I suggest you not do that.
 
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AI is not the Holy Spirit and I have found failures when it tries to interpret. The Holy Spirit is supposed to guide (John 16:13) and if you trust AI's answers over God's guidance, you're making AI an idol. I suggest you not do that.
I have found multiple things with AI i may never have found myself. It is a pattern recognition expert, and understanding the bible is just that pattern recognition.
 
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I have found multiple things with AI i may never have found myself. It is a pattern recognition expert, and understanding the bible is just that pattern recognition.
Sure, if you remove context which it tends to do in favor of word choice. It cannot and does not keep context into account when it analyzes patterns. AI is not that smart. It is very surface level logic and also pulls context from the internet as answers. So it will frame an answer based off of a pool of data that could be wrong just because 1 million Catholics interpret scripture one way, when you might not. So its interpretive answer is based off of what humans conclude and it takes the most argued answer and then gives it back to you and states it as fact.

As an example, if the highest number of people agree in a trinitarian doctrine, it will say that the bible is trinitarian (If this is coming from a brand new account and it isn't influenced by your likes/dislikes which AI is. It's a RLHF model.) It's not basing its information off of scripture, its basing its answer off of a poll it conducts over the internet and what other people say. It gives the answer based on majority acceptation, and nothing else. You are giving AI FAR to much credit in its analysis capabilities and I seriously suggest you make God the leader of truth and not the answers AI gives you.

Edit: for clarification, I do believe in the trinity, but I just wanted to give an example of a topic to make a point.
 
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I pasted what I wrote into chat gpt and it gave me this

Rev 12 commentary

1. THE WOMAN = ISRAEL Revelation 12:1 uses Genesis 37:9–10. Sun = Jacob. Moon = Rachel. Twelve stars = tribes of Israel. Thus the woman = covenant Israel, the Old Covenant people who produced the Messiah, the apostles, and the first Judean Christian remnant.

2. THE MALE CHILD = JESUS Revelation 12:5: Messiah destined to rule (Psalm 2). Family flees to Egypt to escape Herod. Maybe they were gone 3.5 years. Don't know what the Jesus caught up to heaven thing is.


3. THE HERODS = all the different HEADS & HORNS OF THE DRAGON/BEAST Herod the Great — tried to kill infant Jesus (Matthew 2:13–18) Herod Archelaus — avoided by Joseph due to violence (Matthew 2:22) Herod Antipas — killed John (Mark 6), mocked Jesus (Luke 23:7–11) Herod Philip — tetrarch Herod Agrippa I — killed James, imprisoned Peter (Acts 12) Herod Agrippa II — opposed Paul (Acts 25–26), backed Rome Herodian women — Bernice, Drusilla, Salome (Acts 24:24; Josephus) All persecuted Christ and His people. They were the dragon’s earthly instrument.

4. THE WAR IN HEAVEN WAS LITERAL Jesus Himself said: Luke 10:18 — “I saw Satan FALL like lightning from heaven.” John 12:31 — “NOW is the judgment of this world; NOW shall the prince of this world be CAST OUT.” Revelation 12:7–9: Michael defeats Satan; Satan expelled; Satan descends to attack Jerusalem and the Church. Daniel 12:1: “Michael shall stand up… there shall be a time of trouble.” This time = 66–70 AD

5. 1 ENOCH 70-GENERATION PROPHECY 1 Enoch 10: angels bound “for 70 generations, until the day of judgment.” Using Septuagint genealogies: Enoch → 70 generations → Jesus. Thus Jesus arrives precisely when the countdown ends. The war in heaven, Satan’s fall, and Jerusalem’s destruction complete Enoch’s prophecy

6. THE SECOND COMING WAS LITERAL AND VISIBLE IN 70 AD Revelation 1:7 — “Every eye shall SEE Him, even those who pierced Him.” “Those who pierced Him” = the Sanhedrin still alive. Jesus predicted this exact visible event: Matthew 24:30 — “They shall SEE the Son of Man coming in the clouds…” Matthew 16:27 — “The Son of Man will come… WITH HIS ANGELS.

Matthew 26:64 — “YOU will SEE the Son of Man at the right hand of Power, coming in the clouds.” Judeans literally saw Jesus above Jerusalem: — At the right hand of the Father — In the clouds — Surrounded by all the holy angels

7. JOSEPHUS CONFIRMS some SKY SIGNS Wars 6.5.3 (Whiston): “Before sunset, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running among the clouds and surrounding cities." Tacitus said the same, and the same kind of thing was seen when God was judging Jerusalem in 1/2 Maccabees in the 100s BC


8. THE MOURNING OF JUDEA Revelation 1:7 — “All tribes of the LAND will mourn.” Two types: • Terror — those dying in Jerusalem saw Jesus and mourned in horror. • Repentance — Christian Judeans fleeing to Pella saw Jesus and mourned for rejecting Him. Fulfills Zechariah 12:10 — “They shall look upon Me whom they pierced and mourn.”
9. THE WOMAN’S FLIGHT = PELLA Revelation 12:14–16: The Judean Christians are taken out of the promise land on Eagle’s wings), just like God took their ancient ancestors out of Egypt on eagles wings (Exodus 19:4. They had to cross the Jordan to get into the promise land now they are fleeing the old covenant promise land over the Jordan to Pella. The devil tries to flood the Jordan but God swallows the water. Flight to Pella - Wikipedia

10. THE WOES OF JESUS = THE WOES OF REVELATION Matthew 23 — Seven Woes upon Pharisees: “All these things shall come upon THIS generation.” Revelation 8–12 — Three Woes upon Jerusalem, “the city where their Lord was crucified” (Rev 11:8). Revelation’s woes = execution of Matthew 23.

11. REVELATION 9 — APOLLYON = TITUS OF LEGIO XV APOLLINARIS Revelation 9:11 — “Apollyon” = Apollo. Titus commanded Legion XV Apollinaris (Apollo’s legion). Locusts = armies (Joel 1–2). Roman siege machinery fits the imagery. Thus: locusts = Roman armies; king = Apollo → Titus.

12. REVELATION 11 — TRAMPLING OF THE TEMPLE Revelation 11:2 — Holy city trampled 42 months = 66–70 AD. Revelation 11:8 — “Where their Lord was crucified” = Jerusalem. Revelation 11:19 — Heavenly ark appears; earthly Temple replaced.

that is the main parts of Rev 1-12 I know. In the first few pages of Rev 1 Jesus said the time is near, soon, at hand, and he tells one church he is coming back in their generation. Rev 1-12 was just Gods judgement on Judea for killing Jesus, the apostles and for all the blood shed in history back to Abel.

Rev 13-22 is future still not until 4400-4500 AD based on 1 Enoch's 10,000 year prophecy
Jesus ben Ananias - Wikipedia sounds like one of the two witnesses but does not match. whoever they were they happened. gospel of nicodemus, history of joseph the carpenter, apocalypse of peter all internally written pre 70 ad, and i believe are inspired said it was going to be enoch and elijah
In your point 6 you claim that Jesus second coming has already happened, however, Rev. 19, which you state that is yet to come, describes the actual second coming of Christ. How do you account for the discrepancy?
 
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In your point 6 you claim that Jesus second coming has already happened, however, Rev. 19, which you state that is yet to come, describes the actual second coming of Christ. How do you account for the discrepancy?
Good questions. Jude, and 1 Enoch. Jesus returns again in Rev ch 14, ch 16, ch 19. In each cases he is only killing people- no remnant no mercy no forgiveness of sins no rapture. It is unclear what happens in Rev 20 with the big raising of the dead, and the final judgement, presumably Jesus will be there too, and what happens to living Christians? I don't know as the rapture prophecies are in context of first century AD
So there is 3rd 4th 5th, and maybe 6th comings of Jesus still future. How many times did God appear in human form in the OT? I don't know the exact answer but many times. So it is with the NT. The phrase second coming in the NT
Hebrews 9 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
Hebrews is written to Israelite Christians people that were born, and lived under the old covenant until Jesus came then they believed in him. Those people are all gone, and 70 AD the OT religion ceased to exist so it is no longer possible to be a combination of both. The second coming which Jesus said would be when the temple was destroyed was just for those first Christians because some of them were going to be raptured at the same time. So all the Israelites had to of risen from the dead 70 AD, and faithful ones got raptured, and some of the 144 000 in Rev 7 the predestined elect remnant all save via belief in Jesus by 70 AD( I might of forgotten that part) must of got raptured as well.
 
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Sure, if you remove context which it tends to do in favor of word choice. It cannot and does not keep context into account when it analyzes patterns. AI is not that smart. It is very surface level logic and also pulls context from the internet as answers. So it will frame an answer based off of a pool of data that could be wrong just because 1 million Catholics interpret scripture one way, when you might not. So its interpretive answer is based off of what humans conclude and it takes the most argued answer and then gives it back to you and states it as fact.

As an example, if the highest number of people agree in a trinitarian doctrine, it will say that the bible is trinitarian (If this is coming from a brand new account and it isn't influenced by your likes/dislikes which AI is. It's a RLHF model.) It's not basing its information off of scripture, its basing its answer off of a poll it conducts over the internet and what other people say. It gives the answer based on majority acceptation, and nothing else. You are giving AI FAR to much credit in its analysis capabilities and I seriously suggest you make God the leader of truth and not the answers AI gives you.

Edit: for clarification, I do believe in the trinity, but I just wanted to give an example of a topic to make a point.
Jesus said the father will send you the holy spirit. There is your trinity doctrine in one sentence. and because I already know the answer to bible prophecy AI is amazing. I can copy paste my writings in it, and it formats it well which is what I did with Rev 12. I can put constraints on it to like only show stuff from before 70 ad or from before 500 ad. I already know every single bible text so know the rough answers anyway. So with my knowledge, and the assumptions I can ask it to start with it is amazing. It did not help me find anything new in Rev 12 I already knew everything I posted.

It helped me find an event in Josephus 67 AD Joppa harbour prophesied in Revelation 8 8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Judeans are on a lot of boats in Joppa harbour the boats crash against the rocks 4200 die and the water turns to blood. I never would of found that without AI.

I don't give AI far too much credit. For me AI is amazing. Don't use it if you don't like it.
 
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Jesus said the father will send you the holy spirit. There is your trinity doctrine in one sentence. and because I already know the answer to bible prophecy AI is amazing. I can copy paste my writings in it, and it formats it well which is what I did with Rev 12. I can put constraints on it to like only show stuff from before 70 ad or from before 500 ad. I already know every single bible text so know the rough answers anyway. So with my knowledge, and the assumptions I can ask it to start with it is amazing. It did not help me find anything new in Rev 12 I already knew everything I posted.

It helped me find an event in Josephus 67 AD Joppa harbour prophesied in Revelation 8 8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Judeans are on a lot of boats in Joppa harbour the boats crash against the rocks 4200 die and the water turns to blood. I never would of found that without AI.

I don't give AI far too much credit. For me AI is amazing. Don't use it if you don't like it.
AI is incredibly biased, it already knows what you want to hear and will bend the truth. You're still forming your answers based on what its feeding you and you even admit "it helped me find" which the rest of that paragraph isn't based on facts, and is untrue. Historically, the entire fleet was destroyed, not "a third" and that's ignoring the rest of it.

But you clearly want to keep using it as it gives you wrong info, so that's entirely up to you.
 
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