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Yeah. What does Christianity say about justice and how governments should respond to it? Just let criminals off the hook and pray for them? Show me a truly repentant narco terrorist, and I will show forgiveness and mercy. Show a soldier an enemy combatant, and they will show you winning hearts and minds by putting two in the heart and one in the mind. As Romans 13 explains, the government does not wield a sword for no reason. The military and law enforcement is that sword. So please spare me the lecture about how we should turn the other cheek towards serial rapists, murders, drug smugglers, and human traffickers knowing that they will continue to harm others when the alternative is to either kill or incarcerate them so others are safe while they figure themselves out.
If they have broken the law then they should be apprehended, tried and appropriately punished. Nobody says otherwise, not even Jesus. But that's not what this thread is about. What it's about is killing the two survivors of that boat strike and why you think it was a righteous thing to do.
 
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Maybe that's the problem. I want to see them saved.
I think there is some confusion here about the distinction between crime and sin and how they should be considered separately.
 
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I think there is some confusion here about the distinction between crime and sin and how they should be considered separately.
It's not how we look at things that matter. It's how God looks at them. Man's crime may not be sin and God's sin may not be a crime.

If someone wants to see criminals killed, then why shouldn't that person receive the same judgment for their sin?
 
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You are a Navy gunners mate?

No, that picture was taken last year in the Red Sea shooting at an unmanned Houthi drone boat filled with explosives. I was the Weapons Officer on that ship as a lieutenant. I am now a lieutenant commander and the Navigator onboard a ship down here. For some reason, they don't want us taking or posting pictures so I had to go with an older one.
 
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Is there a problem with your screen..?

Hope that appears OK.
I have already addressed the drug smugglers on multiple occasions. So I do not see where I ever deflected discussing them. Heck, we have discussed them in our conversation. So what on earth are you talking about? Now, if you are referring to my preference as to how drug smugglers should be handled, which is not the topic of the thread, I made my opinion abundantly clear was back in post 37. You should probably go back and reread the thread before you start harassing people to force a confession that had already been given.
 
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What it's about is killing the two survivors of that boat strike and why you think it was a righteous thing to do.
Show me exactly where I said killing the two survivors, assuming everything a Democrat senator claimed about the incident is true, is the righteous thing to do.
 
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No, that picture was taken last year in the Red Sea shooting at an unmanned Houthi drone boat filled with explosives. I was the Weapons Officer on that ship as a lieutenant. I am now a lieutenant commander and the Navigator onboard a ship down here. For some reason, they don't want us taking or posting pictures so I had to go with an older one.
Fair enough. That looks like a lot of fun. Thank you for your service.
 
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Terrorist enemy combatants
It takes two to tango. Combatants is defined as "a person or nation engaged in fighting during a war." In this case, it's only Americans involved. Venezuela isn't at war with the US. That means that the people on the boats weren't combatants, since they are not at war with America.
 
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Terrorist enemy combatants

Odd. Why are we returning "enemy combatants" to their country and not holding or charging them?

  • Colombian Survivor: The man, identified as 34-year-old Jeison Obando Pérez, arrived in Colombia with a traumatic brain injury and was taken to a hospital for treatment. Colombian authorities indicated he would face justice for drug trafficking.
  • Ecuadorean Survivor: The Ecuadorean national, Andrés Fernando Tufiño, was also returned to his home country. However, Ecuadorean officials stated he could not be detained because there was no evidence or report of a crime brought to the attention of their institutions that occurred within their jurisdiction.
 
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No, that picture was taken last year in the Red Sea shooting at an unmanned Houthi drone boat filled with explosives. I was the Weapons Officer on that ship as a lieutenant. I am now a lieutenant commander and the Navigator onboard a ship down here. For some reason, they don't want us taking or posting pictures so I had to go with an older one.

Well, only Pete and Pam can post pictures. Thank for sharing what you can.
 
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You're here defending either war crimes or murder.
If the person you're conversing with doesn't believe that war crimes or murder took place, then he's not defending that.
 
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It takes two to tango. Combatants is defined as "a person or nation engaged in fighting during a war." In this case, it's only Americans involved. Venezuela isn't at war with the US. That means that the people on the boats weren't combatants, since they are not at war with America.
From 2004 to 2018 the US conducted hundreds of airstrikes against terrorist operations in Pakistan, without being at war with Pakistan.

In the same way the US is conducting airstrikes against Narco-terrorist operations coming out of or within Venezuela, without being at war with Venezuela.
 
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I stopped reading after this line. I have defended neither.
You've been here since literally page 1 making excuses for the US military doing double taps. Which are a war crime during war time and murder any other time.
 
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If the person you're conversing with doesn't believe that war crimes or murder took place, then he's not defending that.
Their refusal to admit that according to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 double taps are a war crime doesn't change that fact.
 
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Their refusal to admit that according to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 double taps are a war crime doesn't change that fact.
There's two sides to what happened. One can not in good faith accuse someone of defending war crimes or murder, until it's been proven by a court of law that war crimes and or murder took place. It may turn out that neither charge is brought against those in the administration and the military who were involved and the action is ruled as justified. Remember, it's presumed innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. Right now the law is on @Oompa Loompa's side if he's presuming innocence.
 
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From 2004 to 2018 the US conducted hundreds of airstrikes against terrorist operations in Pakistan, without being at war with Pakistan.

In the same way the US is conducting airstrikes against Narco-terrorist operations coming out of or within Venezuela, without being at war with Venezuela.

...the U.S. is attacking a drug cartel whose aim is to maximize profits by trafficking an illegal substance. The last time I checked, no cartel had flown airplanes into sky scrapers or set bombs off in train stations.
 
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