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Apple Sky said:

King James Bible
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

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The above describes yourself, heaping yourself teachers like Rob Skiba, Eric Dubay, Dean Odle etc.

Larniavc said:

Gravity is what keeps us on the surface of the Earth. On Earth less dense air rises above denser air as there are most available states for the various atoms that make up 'air' to occupy. It's not unconnected with why things evaporate (but that's not for now). That's because of Entropy but I don't want to have to spend hours explaining that to you if you don't grasp the current discussion.

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If I pass gass, there’s no reason for the particles to stick together in some unity to be less dense than their environment. I would expect them to just blend in. So I am going to assume that the reason it moves upward has nothing to do with gravity.

Apple Sky said:

Yes there has what about Admiral R. Byrd & all his fleet of ships in 'Operation High Jump' ? Why do you think they called it 'Operation High Jump' ?

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Apple Sky said:

No idea, would have to research them all before I can answer your question.

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You would do well to actually research Admiral Byrd's expedition, as your claims are contradictory to what they encountered.

jonojim1337 said:

Ok so explain how hot air particles travel upward.

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They don't, unless a large enough mass of them are enclosed in a light weight envelope. In such a case if the combined mass of the envelope and the hot air molecules contained is less than the mass of the surrounding air displaced by the envelope, then the denser air will push the envelope up since gravity has a stronger influence on the denser air than the less dense air.

prodromos said:

They don't, unless a large enough mass of them are enclosed in a light weight envelope. In such a case if the combined mass of the envelope and the hot air molecules contained is less than the mass of the surrounding air displaced by the envelope, then the denser air will push the envelope up since gravity has a stronger influence on the denser air than the less dense air.

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Ok, but that’s not how it works in reality. In reality hot air will always travel upward.

jonojim1337 said:

Ok, but that’s not how it works in reality. In reality hot air will always travel upward.

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You must be in the clouds then.

jonojim1337 said:

Ok, but that’s not how it works in reality. In reality hot air will always travel upward.

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It doesn't rise upward if there is no gravity. By the way, there is no "up" without gravity.

Jerry N. said:

What about the Egyptian priest?

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Moses staff ate the others proving that the power of God is much higher than that of magic.

Hentenza said:

Moses staff ate the others proving that the power of God is much higher than that of magic.

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Right, but would you call the staffs of the priest magic staffs? I do believe there is magic, but God keeps it wimpy. However, a lot of “magic” is just nonsense.

Jerry N. said:

Right, but would you call the staffs of the priest magic staffs? I do believe there is magic, but God keeps it wimpy. However, a lot of “magic” is just nonsense.

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Moses staff did not work with magic but with Gods power. The Egyptian priests used magic or just trickery.

Hentenza said:

Moses staff did not work with magic but with Gods power. The Egyptian priests used magic or just trickery.

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That is what I think too.

Jerry N. said:

It doesn't rise upward if there is no gravity. By the way, there is no "up" without gravity.

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Well how do you know that since we’ve never been to a so called no gravity environment.

prodromos said:

You must be in the clouds then.

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Well that’s funny. Because clouds are formed by water particles that are energised by the sun, which should be a lot heavier than air particles, and somehow they travel upward without any encapsulation.

Kathleen30 said:

Stronginhim you say Gods word not be the final authority in all things.

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The Bible is the final authority in matters of faith, Christian doctrine, God's will and plan etc.
So if someone says, "Jesus was meant to come to earth to get married and start a family" - which is what Moonies say - the question is; does that statement agree with the Bible? The answer is "no", so we can reject it.
If someone says "God told me that you have to do X, Y or Z to be saved", the question is; "what does the Bible say?" The NT says that Jesus is the only way to the Father and salvation is through no one else. So if someone is trying to promise salvation apart from Jesus - don't believe them.

But the Bible is clearly not the final authority in ALL things.
If you were trying to decide whether to choose Nursing or Teaching as a profession, the Bible would not give you the answer.
If you were trying to discover which church/school/university to go to, you would not find the answer in the Bible.
The Bible can't tell you where to live, whether to marry and if so, to who, whether to have children, what charities to support and many other personal decisions. You may find the answer to those by prayer - talking and listening to God - not in the Bible.
In the same way, the Bible does not teach biology, astronomy, the history of Australia or any other country. It doesn't teach us OT Hebrew, NT Greek, Aramaic or any other language.

Kathleen30 said:

I say when it clashes with scripture it most certainly does

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When what clashes with Scripture?

Kathleen30 said:

and is to be challenged accordingly by the word of God.

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It depends on how you mean "challenged".
"Challenged" to grow in holiness, to trust God, to follow Jesus more closely, to step out in faith, to use your gifts in his service - absolutely.
"Challenged" to deny a scientific fact because, when you read the poetry of the Bible you believe it is saying something different; no.

Kathleen30 said:

You Then mention the many professions. The Bible certainly does not show us how learn Japanese or Russian

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Thank you.
The Bible doesn't teach us everything - that was my only point. We have to look to resources outside of the Bible to learn other languages. In the same way we have to look to resources outside of the Bible to find out about a world that the Bible writers knew little about; how it works, how different things react, behave and so on.

Kathleen30 said:

but if you were to Curse God in those languages that would still make you accountable according to the word of God.

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That wasn't my point.
My point was only that the Bible does not teach us all things. It is not a specialist book in all subjects - therefore, it is not the final authority on Physics, Biology etc.
A scientist would not say, "let's solve this problem by looking in the Bible for the answer", any more than a theologian would say, "let's consult a chemistry textbook to tell us what God's will is."

Kathleen30 said:

You than mention music again nothing wrong with music

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I never said there was.
I said that even if someone were to find out all about Mozart it wouldn't mean they could play the piano, or clarinet.

What I'm saying is that when we want to find out, or learn something, we need to look in the appropriate book. The Bible is not a science textbook - yet some people here are acting as though it is and expecting it to teach us about the earth, its form, the intricate details of creation and so on.
Why?
The Bible is about God - the One who created this awesome universe.
God has not only allowed people to study and learn about his creation, he has given them the gifts to be able to do so; to discover, experiment and learn just how wonderful this world/universe is. Yet some people are treating scientists as though they were the devil incarnate. They are accusing astronauts and astronomers of being liars are have implied, if not stated, that world leaders, governments etc are all plotting together to deceive us.

Kathleen30 said:

Are these songs appropriate to play at church. No they are not .

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I never said they were - I wasn't talking about music in worship

Kathleen30 said:

You mention the cookery book and what’s say it promotes rare meat meaning that blood is not fully cooked but still raw that would go contrary to the New Testament that meat must be cooked fully.

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I didn't say anything of the sort.
I said that you won't learn Spanish by reading a cookery book which mentions Paella and Spanish wine.

Again, if you want to learn a subject read the appropriate book.
If you want to learn about God, read the Bible.

Kathleen30 said:

The word of God is the final authority in all things .

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Right - so I expect you will be reading the bible to find out where you should spend Christmas? Or what presents to buy for your family?
Although I would expect you not to celebrate Christmas at all because it isn't mentioned in the Bible. Whereas festivals such as Hannukah, the feast of Tabernacles, Passover and so on, are.
The Bible is the authority in all things, remember?
Maybe you were thinking of going to the January sales? I shouldn't; January isn't mentioned in the Bible, nor is shopping for bargains.
Maybe you were thinking of having ham/gammon on Boxing Day? That's not a good idea. Boxing Day isn't mentioned in the Bible and the Jews were told not to eat pork.
Maybe you are thinking of buying a new car/computer/smart phone? These aren't mentioned in the Bible so good luck in finding a verse to tell you what to do.
The Bible is the final authority in all things, remember?

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jonojim1337 said:

Well that’s funny. Because clouds are formed by water particles that are energised by the sun, which should be a lot heavier than air particles, and somehow they travel upward without any encapsulation.

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The molecular weight of water is 18 g/mol whereas the molecular weight of Nitrogen, which makes up the bulk of the atmosphere, is 28 g/mol and the molecular weight of Oxygen is 32 g/mol. So in their gaseous states, the atmosphere is already more dense than water vapour. The water in clouds however, exists as ice crystals or tiny water droplets which are more dense than the surrounding atmosphere, and these are held aloft by warm air currents rising upwards.
Seriously, you could learn all this yourself with very little effort, but you prefer to live in a fantasy land of 'black suns' and 'plasma moons', all of which is made up fiction.

Apple Sky said:

And you'd do well to research 'Operation Dominic '. Talk about them trying to shatter the dome

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If you had actually researched Operation Dominic then you would know they were not attempting to shatter a non existent dome. Stop reading fiction.

prodromos said:

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The molecular weight of water is 18 g/mol whereas the molecular weight of Nitrogen, which makes up the bulk of the atmosphere, is 28 g/mol and the molecular weight of oxygen is 32 g/mol. So in their gaseous states, the atmosphere is already more dense than water vapour. The water in clouds however, exists as ice crystals or tiny water droplets which are more dense than the surrounding atmosphere, and these are held aloft by warm air currents rising upwards.
Seriously, you could learn all this yourself with very little effort, but you prefer to live in a fantasy land of 'black suns' and 'plasma moons', all of which is made up fiction.

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What the hell are you talking about out? Water is H2O, which is two hydrogen atoms with one oxygen atom. So it’s definitely heavier than oxygen.

And funny how ice doesn’t just magically float up in the air.

Again I refer you to my video where no actual object is seen eclipsing the sun during a solar eclipse.