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⭐ 1. GOD PURPOSEFULLY HIDES TRUTH Isaiah 45:15 “Truly, You are a God who hides Himself.” Deuteronomy 29:29 “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and our children.” Two categories: secret things → God keeps hidden revealed things → for humanity to obey Job 28:21–23 Wisdom is hidden from every living thing… God understands the way to it. True wisdom is inaccessible unless God opens it.
⭐ 2. GOD CONCEALS SPIRITUAL TRUTH IN PARABLES, SYMBOLS, AND MYSTERIES Matthew 13:11 “To you it has been given to know the mysteries… to them it has NOT been given.” Jesus deliberately hides truth from the hard-hearted. Matthew 13:34–35 Jesus spoke in parables “to fulfill what was spoken… I will utter things hidden since the foundation of the world.” Parables = concealment and revelation at the same time. 1 Corinthians 2:7 “We speak the hidden wisdom of God in a mystery.” Colossians 1:26 “The mystery which has been hidden from ages and generations but now is revealed to His saints.”
⭐ 3. GOD HIDES FROM THE PROUD AND REVEALS TO THE HUMBLE Matthew 11:25 “You have hidden these things from the wise and learned and revealed them to little children.” A deliberate divine filter. Proverbs 2:3–5 If you cry out for insight… seek her like silver… THEN you will understand the fear of the Lord. Truth is found only through earnest searching.
⭐ 4. PROPHECIES ARE OFTEN SEALED UNTIL THE APPOINTED TIME Daniel 12:4 “Seal the book until the time of the end.” Daniel 12:9 “The words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.” Biblical apocalyptic literature often hides timelines, symbols, and meanings. Revelation 10:4 The seven thunders spoke… “Seal up what the seven thunders said.” Even John is not allowed to reveal everything.
⭐ 5. JESUS IS HIMSELF A “HIDDEN MYSTERY” Isaiah 53:2–3 “He had no majesty that we should desire Him.” The Messiah appeared ordinary, hiding His glory. 1 Corinthians 1:27–29 God hides the truth from the powerful and reveals it through the lowly. Luke 24:16 “Their eyes were restrained so they did not recognize Him.” Concealment is part of God’s strategy.
⭐ 6. GOD HIDES HIMSELF TO TEST HEARTS Jeremiah 29:13 “You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.” Proverbs 25:2 “It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; the glory of kings to search it out.” God hides truth so that only the sincere find Him.
⭐ 7. GOD ORCHESTRATES HISTORY IN A HIDDEN WAY Ecclesiastes 3:11 “He has set eternity in the human heart, yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.” Psalm 77:19 “Your way was in the sea, and Your path in the great waters, yet Your footprints were not known.” He acts invisibly, leaving traces that must be searched.
⭐ 8. GOD HIDES TO PROTECT WHAT IS HOLY Matthew 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is holy; do not cast pearls before swine.” Divine truth is not for mockers. Proverbs 1:24–29 God refuses to reveal truth to those who reject correction.
⭐ WHY DOES GOD NOT PUT EVERYTHING IN THE OPEN? The Bible gives five reasons:
⭐ 1. TO SEPARATE THE HUMBLE FROM THE PROUD God reveals His secrets only to those who want Him. This preserves the moral dimension of revelation: Truth is a reward, not a triviality.
⭐ 2. TO PROTECT THE UNREADY If God fully exposed the spiritual realm: humans would be overwhelmed accountability would increase to unbearable levels rebellion would instantly receive judgment Concealment is mercy.
⭐ 3. TO TRAIN DISCERNMENT Truth is not just data. The search itself produces: wisdom transformation humility holiness Revelation is formative, not merely informational.
⭐ 4. TO PRESERVE FREE WILL If God revealed Himself in overpowering visibility: unbelief would be impossible love would be coerced faith would vanish Hiddenness creates space for genuine relationship.
⭐ 5. TO UNFOLD HISTORY IN STAGES Revelation is progressive: Old Covenant concealed Christ Christ concealed the Church Age Revelation conceals the future Things are revealed when the time is right. As Jesus said: “I have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.” —John 16:12
 

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⭐ 1. GOD PURPOSEFULLY HIDES TRUTH Isaiah 45:15 “Truly, You are a God who hides Himself.” Deuteronomy 29:29 “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and our children.” Two categories: secret things → God keeps hidden revealed things → for humanity to obey Job 28:21–23 Wisdom is hidden from every living thing… God understands the way to it. True wisdom is inaccessible unless God opens it.
⭐ 2. GOD CONCEALS SPIRITUAL TRUTH IN PARABLES, SYMBOLS, AND MYSTERIES Matthew 13:11 “To you it has been given to know the mysteries… to them it has NOT been given.” Jesus deliberately hides truth from the hard-hearted. Matthew 13:34–35 Jesus spoke in parables “to fulfill what was spoken… I will utter things hidden since the foundation of the world.” Parables = concealment and revelation at the same time. 1 Corinthians 2:7 “We speak the hidden wisdom of God in a mystery.” Colossians 1:26 “The mystery which has been hidden from ages and generations but now is revealed to His saints.”
⭐ 3. GOD HIDES FROM THE PROUD AND REVEALS TO THE HUMBLE Matthew 11:25 “You have hidden these things from the wise and learned and revealed them to little children.” A deliberate divine filter. Proverbs 2:3–5 If you cry out for insight… seek her like silver… THEN you will understand the fear of the Lord. Truth is found only through earnest searching.
⭐ 4. PROPHECIES ARE OFTEN SEALED UNTIL THE APPOINTED TIME Daniel 12:4 “Seal the book until the time of the end.” Daniel 12:9 “The words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.” Biblical apocalyptic literature often hides timelines, symbols, and meanings. Revelation 10:4 The seven thunders spoke… “Seal up what the seven thunders said.” Even John is not allowed to reveal everything.
⭐ 5. JESUS IS HIMSELF A “HIDDEN MYSTERY” Isaiah 53:2–3 “He had no majesty that we should desire Him.” The Messiah appeared ordinary, hiding His glory. 1 Corinthians 1:27–29 God hides the truth from the powerful and reveals it through the lowly. Luke 24:16 “Their eyes were restrained so they did not recognize Him.” Concealment is part of God’s strategy.
⭐ 6. GOD HIDES HIMSELF TO TEST HEARTS Jeremiah 29:13 “You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.” Proverbs 25:2 “It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; the glory of kings to search it out.” God hides truth so that only the sincere find Him.
⭐ 7. GOD ORCHESTRATES HISTORY IN A HIDDEN WAY Ecclesiastes 3:11 “He has set eternity in the human heart, yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.” Psalm 77:19 “Your way was in the sea, and Your path in the great waters, yet Your footprints were not known.” He acts invisibly, leaving traces that must be searched.
⭐ 8. GOD HIDES TO PROTECT WHAT IS HOLY Matthew 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is holy; do not cast pearls before swine.” Divine truth is not for mockers. Proverbs 1:24–29 God refuses to reveal truth to those who reject correction.
⭐ WHY DOES GOD NOT PUT EVERYTHING IN THE OPEN? The Bible gives five reasons:
⭐ 1. TO SEPARATE THE HUMBLE FROM THE PROUD God reveals His secrets only to those who want Him. This preserves the moral dimension of revelation: Truth is a reward, not a triviality.
⭐ 2. TO PROTECT THE UNREADY If God fully exposed the spiritual realm: humans would be overwhelmed accountability would increase to unbearable levels rebellion would instantly receive judgment Concealment is mercy.
⭐ 3. TO TRAIN DISCERNMENT Truth is not just data. The search itself produces: wisdom transformation humility holiness Revelation is formative, not merely informational.
⭐ 4. TO PRESERVE FREE WILL If God revealed Himself in overpowering visibility: unbelief would be impossible love would be coerced faith would vanish Hiddenness creates space for genuine relationship.
⭐ 5. TO UNFOLD HISTORY IN STAGES Revelation is progressive: Old Covenant concealed Christ Christ concealed the Church Age Revelation conceals the future Things are revealed when the time is right. As Jesus said: “I have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.” —John 16:12
An outstanding teaching that is grounded in scripture. Thanks for poiting out some possible misconceptions.
 
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An outstanding teaching that is grounded in scripture. Thanks for poiting out some possible misconceptions.
thank you. Chat GPT continues to amaze me how it gets things right 99% of the time with the bible. I recommend trying it out.
 
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thank you. Chat GPT continues to amaze me how it gets things right 99% of the time with the bible.
I do use ai mainly as a reference tool though. On your topic I have to think more about what this means in relation to the mind of Christ. But the idea we know in part we prophecy in part, the call of us to seek and ask for wisdom, to meditate day and night on the word suggests the depper things of God are available if we make more effort.
 
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I do use ai mainly as a reference tool though. On your topic I have to think more about what this means in relation to the mind of Christ. But the idea we know in part we prophecy in part, the call of us to seek and ask for wisdom, to meditate day and night on the word suggests the depper things of God are available if we make more effort.
There are books that are outside the protestant canon that are inspired only for the wise that seek them out. They are apocrypha which means hidden from the wise of the world.

Jesus talking to the Sadducees who asked about resurrection.

Mathew 22 29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

God talking to the fallen angels pre flood in 1 Enoch that left heaven, came down to earth, and married women

1 Enoch 15
But you originally existed as spirits, living forever,
and not dying for all the generations of eternity;
7 therefore I did not make women among you.’
The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling;

He calls 1 Enoch scripture, and Jude says "Enoch 7th from Adam" so Jude believed what he was quoting was written before Noahs flood, and not pseudepigrapha first written 300 BC, and backdated. Jude, and 1 Enoch
The Sadducees stuff up a story from Tobit about the woman being married then demons killing her 7 husbands each night before the marriage too. They forgot to add she married successfully the 8th time. So Jesus is calling Tobit scripture too. That was written in the 700s, and 600s BC, 1 Enoch was written 4400-4000 BC after creation 5500 BC but before Noahs flood 3300 BC. There are a lot of other texts inspired apocrypha that are not pseudepigrapha for the wise only too. My summary list of the most important ones are 1 Enoch, Life of Adam, and Eve, Assumption of Moses, 1/2 Maccabees. For the NT Gospel of Nicodemus, History of Joseph the Carpenter, Proto James. All on audiobook on youtube or annas archive and internet archive are two free e book websites.
 
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