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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life
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When Jesus returns most people are going overwhelmed by his wrath.They are going to cry out for an avalanche to bury them to hide them from the wrath of Jesus. When drug smugglers see Jesus they're going to want to be taken out my a missile, rather than face the wrath of Jesus. Revelation 6:16.
I think perhaps you don't know enough about Jesus to gage what his attitude is.
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My point is this: narcotic usage in America has multiple causes. While it's true that our proximity to many sources of narcotics is one factor, it's far from the only reason. Direct-to-consumer advertising is allowed in the U.S., which boosts demand for prescription opioids—a practice largely banned in Europe. Historically, U.S. doctors have prescribed opioids more freely for pain management, including chronic pain, whereas European medicine favors non-opioid alternatives. The healthcare model in the U.S. tends to incentivize quick fixes like medication rather than long-term therapies.
Americans commonly expect complete relief from pain, while Europeans may accept some discomfort and rely more on non-drug methods. U.S. regulations once permitted broad opioid availability, unlike Europe’s earlier, stricter controls. Higher rates of obesity and related diseases in America contribute to increased cases of chronic pain. Socioeconomic disparities and stress also drive higher substance use, including opioids, as coping mechanisms. Strong lobbying efforts in the U.S. have shaped policies that favored easier access to opioids. The lack of integrated care systems makes it harder to monitor and control prescriptions compared to Europe’s centralized approach. Additionally, physical therapy, counseling, and holistic pain management options are less accessible or tend to be more expensive in the U.S.
Over the past 50 years, efforts to address narcotic use in the United States have primarily focused on harsher punishments and preventing narcotics from entering the country. While these policies are necessary, it is equally important to confront internal issues, such as reforming how pharmaceutical companies operate within America and adjusting the manner in which doctors prescribe pain management. Additionally, expanding treatment options for individuals struggling with drug dependency is essential.
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it is also equally true that when Jesus comes
“Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
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Many Christians are devoted and sincere in their faith, striving to serve Jesus wholeheartedly. However, some may interpret Jesus's identity based on personal perspectives or specific biblical passages, which may lead to varying understandings of who Jesus is.
Luke 5:32
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Matthew 9:13
“…I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Mark 2:17
“…They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 19:10
“For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.”
1 Timothy 1:15
“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”
Romans 5:8
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
John 3:17
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
Matthew 11:28
“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
Luke 15:7
“…joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.”
Hebrews 7:25
“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
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We are not at war with Venezuela. Neither Venezuela nor the drug traffickers have launched an attacked the United States.
Drug traffickers are not terrorist according to U.S. law.
There is no legal basis for summarily killing people because the US suspects they are drug trackers.
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I think many who think that they are Christians will be shocked.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7 : 21
Yes, do the will of the Father. What is the Father's will?
A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; even as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
John 13 : 34
Can you show me the love of blowing people up without giving them a chance to surrender? One of every four suspected drug boats have nothing illegal in them, according to the Coast Guard. What are the odds that a few of these boats, which Trump had destroyed, are not drug dealers? There is already a law suit , from a Venezuelan family, saying that their father, a fisherman, was killed in one strike.
If they stop the boats and inspect them, this would not happen.
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No Christian I've read accepts the two innocent fishermen murdered scenario. That's what they keep getting accused of by those who do accept that scenario. While failing to acknowledge others are leaning towards the other scenario that the administration and navy aren't demonic murdering monsters.
It's not a sin or a moral failing to give the benefit of the doubt that the administration and Navy aren't being careless and homicidal. Those that hate Trump basically NEED it to be that way. They MUST be incompetent monsters.
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I dont think thats the scenario most people are talking about. The one I understand is:
Killing of criminal suspects who werent putting up any resistance. And then going on to kill more when they are shipwrecked.
I dont see a defense for this thats compatible with traditional Christian morality as understand it. I will admit that my sense of Christian morality has been evolving tho.
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Right and that applies to whoever trusts that the administration and Navy aren't incompetent homicidal monsters.
'If you don't agree with the incompetent homicidal monsters scenario you're a false Christian' is basically what's being claimed ad infinitum.
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That's because not everyone accepts the insistence that the administration and the navy are evil incompetent homicidal monsters. See once that idea sets in people's brains, anyone who doesn't go along with it is evil too. It's like 'if you don't agree with our version of events, you're going to hell'.
It's the same thing as with DHS, ICE and the National Guard, now being directed at the Navy.
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You are completely failing to address the scenario I described above. Instead youre invoking prejudices citizen onlookers may have.
But prejudices various other people may have are completely irrelevant to how I should understand the morality of the scenario I described. Lets stick with what happened and the morality of what happened.
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Oh? What attitude would Jesus have towards those who deliver poisons to kids, rape them, and turn them into sex slaves? Weaponizing empathy does not work with me.
Romans 13:3-4 NIV
[3] For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. [4] For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
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True. So who formally declared war after WW2? Hint: It wasnt Congress.
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Which means congress implicitly approves of what Trump is doing. Otherwise, they would have stopped it after the first strike.
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The question here tho is not the morality of drug traffickers. Its the morality of those who shoot criminal suspects when they arent putting up resistance. And then shoot them again when shipwrecked.
Man, the deflection in this thread!
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