Why is so much nonsense coming from America?

There's a difference between being unemployed and it's out of your control, and being unemployed because you want to leech off the system. There are insane numbers of people who have made it a career to get on government assistance and never work. That's why Trump recently put in new rules that you have to have so many hours of work in order to get government assistance and they'll also help you find work if you have none.

I celebrate anyone who works, or has worked their whole life.

I'm also excluding the group of people that can't work due to health/mental conditions out of this conversation entirely because I have no problem with them getting government assistance.

Been trained to be paranoid over any love others as self as a concept, which they are led to believe is socialism. They must protect those who follow the concept of winner take all... at least according to the winners.

Kjelete said:

Why is so much nonsense coming from America?

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Because in America there are mean people. But not all are like these people. And, because America traditionally is "democratic" with freedom of speech, mean people use their freedom of speech to say things that are not nice.

But it can be right to criticize people who really are wrong. And people try to encourage us to use our freedom for good criticizing, and not for mean stuff.

Kjelete said:

Everyday, something new and mean stuff is coming from American online.

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Yes, mean stuff is coming from ones who do not know how to love. In America, we have a number of people who do not know how to love. Ones can be conceited, and they will look down on other people, and criticize others so they can make their own selves look good. And we see how they can have very mean emotional problems, very mean to their own selves >

The Bible says each of us will reap what we have sown > Galatians 6:7-8.

Right now, then, the mean ones are already reaping emotionally what they have been sowing against others. In their weakness for pride and pleasure, they also are deeply weak so they can keep suffering in various emotional and personality and relational problems and torment.

However, Jesus does have humble people in America, who love any and all people, and who have hope for the ones who do not know how to love > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7). Jesus uses their good example to help others.

Kjelete said:

Now it's like your dream of a society where everyone works will never happen, a kind of utopia.

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In practical life, in America . . . many do work, yes, but this is not the dream. Plus, ones do work without getting paid > there are ones who stay home to home-school their children, and to care for their families and places where they live. And there can be even homeless people who do things voluntarily to help. And there are church members who do things to serve through their churches to help people. And there are people who are caregivers to relatives and friends who are younger disabled or elderly and disabled.

I will offer you, how being a nonprofessional caregiver is work. It can take a person from early morning until close to midnight, and not being paid by your friend or spouse or other companion or someone else you know.

One person was so busy, that he lost ten pounds in maybe a couple of months. He thought he had lost fat, from not eating. Then he passed out while walking . . . dehydrated, it seemed > he perhaps had not lost fat, but *water*, what with having constant end-to-end things to do all day so he was not eating and drinking.

But love is the reward, in us, while we do things God's way.

So - - may be you should not spend too much time paying attention to what mean people are doing; but learn how to take care of people, in case you will need this.

Kjelete said:

The reason I'm writing is because my mother worked in a factory for 32 years or something, and got a medal, and my father has worked for about 30 years also in different places, woke up to the same alarm every day for 30 years, yet they are treated degradingly when we are out because they "just" go there.

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Indeed, there are people who do not know how to love. They have a major problem and are in big trouble, now and for the day of judgment. So, we are wise not to allow them to have power over us to control our attention to their nonsense and failure. But trust God to have us discovering how He has us become and love like Jesus. And then God uses our prayer and example to help each other but also to reach those who are enemies of love.

Kjelete said:

It's fun to be mean perhaps, I never understand it, but americans have to kinda weirdos to put all this nonsense out there.

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While I was in the seventh grade, yes I found it entertaining to make another child cry and make kids squeal when I did mean things to them. Well, my parents were educated and seemed quite proud of themselves, so they could look down on others; from that, perhaps, I got some of my encouragement to be a bully looking down on kids and being cruel to them. And there were ones not so popular with other students; this also encouraged me . . . to go after the ones others did not like, even hoping I could get praise from more popular kids, by bullying the ones they did not like.

Kjelete said:

I'm always treated well because I've sung so much, but I think it's a bit the opposite of what it should be, maybe then, I've learned a lot on my own, worked hard, but I think 30 years in a factory is tougher

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Yes, I would say to honor your parents.

And yes people can be popular because they give some kind of pleasure to others. Good singers can be a pleasure. And there is a lot of beauty discrimination . . . meaning ones more beautiful can be more loved and considered more desirable for marriage and certain jobs.

So, be wise to how people might "love" you because of the pleasure they can use you to get. With Jesus, we love without requiring that people give us what we want. And we are in America, too

Kjelete said:

Everyday, something new and mean stuff is coming from American online. For example that unemployed people drain the system. That's how I understand it from you. Now it's like your dream of a society where everyone works will never happen, a kind of utopia. The reason I'm writing is because my mother worked in a factory for 32 years or something, and got a medal, and my father has worked for about 30 years also in different places, woke up to the same alarm every day for 30 years, yet they are treated degradingly when we are out because they "just" go there.

Its fun to be mean perhaps, I never understand it, but americans have to kinda weirdos to put all this nonsense out there. I'm always treated well because I've sung so much, but I think it's a bit the opposite of what it should be, maybe then, I've learned a lot on my own, worked hard, but I think 30 years in a factory is tougher

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Americans have been force fed a diet of ‘work hard and you too can be a billionaire’.

This stems from religious ideas that working hard is somehow a moral issue.

But what it does is create a working class whose benefits from work has been degraded over time (or just never improved to match their European cousins) to such a point that they now function in competition with their neighbours.

Consequently as long as you give an American someone to feel superior to you can get them to accept pretty much any awful working condition.

The upshot of that is a seething resentment of anyone they see as getting something they can’t get.

It’s all so that a few generationally wealthy individuals can siphon all the money out of circulation and into their coffers to act as a scoring system of ‘who’s the best’.

To understand America, it is important to understand Satan. He sets the course of the world (Eph 2:2) and we are not unaware of his schemes (2Cor 2:11). Satan is going to make his move to try to take over the world. To do this he will need to collectivize the world to leverage his influence. He also will need the tools to control if any individual is allowed to buy or sell. These tools are almost all in place and his need for a stable society (which was America) is over.

It is in his interest to not allow a powerful society to continue that might pose opposition to his plans. He would have us destroy ourselves in various ways such as self-indulgence, debt, strife, etc.

In the midst of all this for the past 70 years the number of Christians has been declining. Much more the number of Christians who can see truth and have wisdom. The result is all sorts of foolishness.

Two future events that may not be too distant are the rapture (the removal of Christians from earth) and the Tribulation. The tribulation is a seven year event of catastrophe that starts with a combination of war, disease, and famine that reduces the population of earth by 25%.

The odd voice here and there declaring various things should not be too alarming in view of what is to come.

To understand America, it is important to understand Satan. He sets the course of the world (Eph 2:2) and we are not unaware of his schemes (2Cor 2:11). Satan is going to make his move to try to take over the world. To do this he will need to collectivize the world to leverage his influence. He also will need the tools to control if any individual is allowed to buy or sell. These tools are almost all in place and his need for a stable society (which was America) is over.

It is in his interest to not allow a powerful society to continue that might pose opposition to his plans. He would have us destroy ourselves in various ways such as self-indulgence, debt, strife, etc.

In the midst of all this for the past 70 years the number of Christians has been declining. Much more the number of Christians who can see truth and have wisdom. The result is all sorts of foolishness.

Two future events that may not be too distant are the rapture (the removal of Christians from earth) and the Tribulation. The tribulation is a seven year event of catastrophe that starts with a combination of war, disease, and famine that reduces the population of earth by 25%.

The odd voice here and there declaring various things should not be too alarming in view of what is to come.

Kjelete said:

Its fun to be mean perhaps, I never understand it, but americans have to kinda weirdos to put all this nonsense out there.

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You kinda have to try to learn to accept people for what they are. I hate to burst you're bubble, but they're not perfect. They're not really all that horrible either though. They just seem that way sometimes. It's like having to deal with uncle Harry during holiday get togethers... so long as you can avoid the mention of politics or religion he seems perfectly normal, but mention Trump and suddenly he becomes Sean Hannity. Still, he's family so whatcha gonna do?

America is currently going through one of those 'bad holiday' periods, but we'll get over it. As for the neighbors, they'll probably be keeping their distance for a while.

Delvianna said:

There's a difference between being unemployed and it's out of your control, and being unemployed because you want to leech off the system.

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And why exactly should people care about your rules if they consistently see them benefiting you but not them? For example, if they see the rich consistently manipulating the system, would it not be entirely reasonable that the disenfranchised would eventually respond in kind?

If you see people behaving in a manner of which you disapprove, try to understand that they're not really all that evil, they're just people. And don't fool yourself into believing that you're really all that different.... as they say, there but for the grace of God.

Disobedience to the rules says as much about the rules, as it does about the people.

partinobodycular said:

And why exactly should people care about your rules if they consistently see them benefiting you but not them? For example, if they see the rich consistently manipulating the system, would it not be entirely reasonable that the disenfranchised would eventually respond in kind?

If you see people behaving in a manner of which you disapprove, try to understand that they're not really all that evil, they're just people. And don't fool yourself into believing that you're really all that different.... as they say, there but for the grace of God.

Disobedience to the rules says as much about the rules, as it does about the people.

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You make a lot of inferences into what I mean/said/think that are simply not there. It's my opinion. People can disagree, its fine, but these aren't my "rules", nor do I think these people evil, and nor do I agree that just because the rich does it, doesn't give anyone the right to do it too.

the rich consistently manipulating the system

In which country to the rich not take advantage? Perhaps what makes America different is that occasionally we are honest about it.

Delvianna said:

You make a lot of inferences into what I mean/said/think that are simply not there. It's my opinion. People can disagree, its fine, but these aren't my "rules", nor do I think these people evil,

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That's awesome...

Delvianna said:

nor do I agree that just because the rich does it, doesn't give anyone the right to do it too.

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That's a perfectly reasonable position to take, so long as you're not stuck in a disenfranchised person's shoes. Then what seems reasonable isn't quite as cut and dry, and you and I have less of a right to judge than we might otherwise have. Life doesn't have one overarching perspective, it has many, and your neighbor's perspective may not always be the same as yours. He's still your neighbor though, and empathy is probably the best course to take... not always the easiest one though.

partinobodycular said:

That's awesome...



That's a perfectly reasonable position to take, so long as you're not stuck in a disenfranchised person's shoes. Then what seems reasonable isn't quite as cut and dry, and you and I have less of a right to judge than we might otherwise have. Life doesn't have one overarching perspective, it has many, and your neighbor's perspective may not always be the same as yours. He's still your neighbor though, and empathy is probably the best course to take... not always the easiest one though.

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Empathy isn't a license to allow injustice though. If someone is blatantly abusing the system, "empathy" turns into enabling. There are enough videos of people out there owning up to the fact they can work and choose not to. It's those people I have an issue with.

Delvianna said:

Empathy isn't a license to allow injustice though. If someone is blatantly abusing the system, "empathy" turns into enabling. There are enough videos of people out there owning up to the fact they can work and choose not to. It's those people I have an issue with.

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We mistakenly think that mercy should only come after someone has asked for forgiveness, but perhaps the opposite is also true, that mercy is how we come to know that we need it.

I can understand how you would have an issue with people doing things of which society disapproves, but people should stop and consider whether this disobedience is more of a reflection on the people themselves or on the society of which they're a part.

partinobodycular said:

As for the neighbors, they'll probably be keeping their distance for a while.

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Regardless of party

I think what you are alluding to is how over time the values and morals have changed. We often hear the older generation speak of the values they had and like you said how they worked hard and sacrificed for a better life.

Something changed along the way and people lost that value. I think this is partly because we also lost God and church and family life. Those values go with such beliefs.

I think what has happened is that over time the State has replaced God and the family. A welfare State has been created and people have become dependent. That has affected their mindset where the value of hard work and achieving something is lost.

You mention the promised utopia that our leaders said would happen. Its turned out to be a nightmare. They tried to play God and be the creators of a new order on earth based on their own ideas and it failed. Any idea without God is going to fail.

So really the US and I think the western world are at a cross roads. The US has always been seen as the face of western ideals and values of freedom and democracy and human rights. But now it is collapsing. The western empire is collapsing as a result.

This is a pivotal point in our history and we can see the polarisation of sides with quite different ideas about how society and thye world should be ordered.

The chaos and hell that has come has caused many to question what is going on and how could our once peaceful and free nations could become so chaotic. I believe that this has caused people to go back to the fundemental truth principles that made Christian western nations so great.

But this could also escalate the divisions and hatred between the opposing sides. We have seen a rise in political violence and assassination attempts. Its not just in the US. But people are more willing to go out on the streets and use violence as a means.

So this is a very pivotal time, a make or brake time that will determine the future as to whether we will decend in further breakdown and completely collapse. Or begin to turn things around to make a better future for our children.

But I truely believe what will achieve this is to return to those truth principles like Rule of Law, the rights and freedoms of belief and speech and that we are not the gods of our own world because we always mess it up.

stevevw said:

The US has always been seen as the face of western ideals and values of freedom and democracy and human rights. But now it is collapsing. The western empire is collapsing as a result.

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Obviously. The population has been diluted by those with no such values. If you build it, they will come.

America had reached a point of economic power after World War II in that record numbers of working class people became middle class. Most people never assumed becoming millionaires but a comfortable middle class life of work, home ownership, and safe community was the “American dream”.

Unfortunately, American civil rights progress & economic prosperity was undermined by political militarists ( not the military) in destructive wars, & alliances with usually useless “allies”.

Mercenaries ride high on the hog for a time, but soon the bounty runs out.

timothyu said:

Obviously. The population has been diluted by those with no such values. If you build it, they will come.

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Yes and its a strange development that the host nation who were the icon of freedom and opportunities ended up become more like the troubled nations it was welcoming rather than maintaining that way of life.

I remeber when young people use to say thank God we have a relatively safe and free society and that all this trouble was in far away nations. ut now it seems many western nations are becoming like the troubled nations. We have imported the trouble along with the immigrants.

It use to be people came and integrated into the host nations way of life. Thats why they came to places like the US. But then we had this ideology that we must somehow give way to our way of life and promote or allow other cultures to develop in the name of multiculturalism.

Thats ok and its good to experience other cultures. But not to allow them to actually allow the culture to take over. In Britain and Europe there are large enclaves of immigrants who cannot even speak English.

Thats ok if the culture is reasonable like us. But when they are not what happens.

I think it was unreal that we allowed this to happen. Now people complain and hate the host nation. Its a complete turn around and undermining of the free nations.

Almost a suicidal mentality that we should sacrifice our own security and freedom and become divided and in chaos for the sake of appeasing some ideal about putting people from other cultures above our own in the name of DEI. .

You begin to wonder whether multiculturalism would ever work. How can two or more cultures with completely different worldviews all have equal rights at the same time in the same place. Someone has to give up something about their culture so not to deny another.

In attempting to achieve this unreal ideal we have lost our own identity. We have actually given up our way of life for the ways of other cultures and in doing so created a mess of division and hatred.