Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Tinker Grey · 2025-12-05T09:48:47-0600

Servus said:
You messed up on your gotcha

Are you not a lad? I think the "gotcha" works just fine.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-05T09:50:13-0600

Servus said:
You can make up anything you want to, but that hardly nullifies anything except in your own mind.

I suppose you would know all about kind of thing. An expert, I should say.

Servus · 2025-12-05T09:56:57-0600

Tinker Grey said:
Are you not a lad? I think the "gotcha" works just fine.

That't wasn't the gotcha, that was the sour grapes.

Servus · 2025-12-05T10:10:06-0600

BCP1928 said:
I suppose you would know all about kind of thing. An expert, I should say.

From reading your posts.

Nithavela · 2025-12-05T10:14:10-0600

Landon Caeli said:
The scariest aspect of the whole situation, is that wildlife is becoming affected. A recent study showed that 92% of sharks, near the waters of Brasil have tested positive for recent cocaine use.

First report on cocaine and benzoylecgonine detection in sharks - ScienceDirect https://share.google/1XscrXO1VDXOi99k2

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"This is the first report on COC and BE concentrations in free-living sharks. It is noteworthy that all analyzed Brazilian Sharpnose sharks were exposed to cocaine during their lifetimes, as COC was detected in all muscle and liver samples. Both COC and BE concentrations in sharks exceeded levels reported in the literature for fish and other aquatic organisms by up to two orders of magnitude."

And don't even start about the bears.

RDKirk · 2025-12-05T10:32:08-0600

Hentenza said:
You want me to do the research for you?

There you go.

Section 5.4.7 of the DOD Law of War Manualsays:
Prohibition Against Declaring That No Quarter Be Given. It is forbidden to declare that no quarter will be given. This means that it is prohibited to order that legitimate offers of surrender will be refused or that detainees, such as unprivileged belligerents, will be summarily executed. Moreover, it is also prohibited to conduct hostilities on the basis that there shall be no survivors, or to threaten the adversary with the denial of quarter. This rule is based on both humanitarian and military considerations. This rule also applies during non-international armed conflict.

If we presume that this attack was conducted long range using drones, that rule requires the US Navy to have had rescue capability within the area. And that's how the law works. Carrying out an attack with no concept of how the shipwrecked would be rescued is against the law covering naval conflict.

Hentenza · 2025-12-05T10:42:27-0600

RDKirk said:
If we presume that this attack was conducted long range using drones, that rule requires the US Navy to have had rescue capability within the area. And that's how the law works. Carrying out an attack with no concept of how the shipwrecked would be rescued is against the law covering naval conflict.

Yep. I agree.

RDKirk · 2025-12-05T10:44:59-0600

Servus said:
Speeding towards the US, is not the same as speeding to the US. I also said anyone who thinks we're talking about drug carrying speed boats making a nonstop trip from Venezuela to the US aren't putting much thought into logistics.

You should be more carful when making critiques on wording.

Back when I was teaching intelligence analysts, if one came to me with that theory, I'd say, "Sounds plausible. Come back when you've located one of the points that any of these transshipment activities are taking place." That is, when they've spotted one of the same type of boats moored somewhere along the way.

Servus · 2025-12-05T10:48:58-0600

RDKirk said:
Back when I was teaching intelligence analysts, if one came to me with that theory, I'd say, "Sounds plausible. Come back when you've located one of the points that any of these transshipment activities are taking place." That is, when they've spotted one of the same type of boats moored somewhere along the way.

So the conclusion is that no drugs whatsoever are being smuggled into the US via the Caribbean?

DaisyDay · 2025-12-05T10:49:44-0600

Servus said:
And I think when it comes to certain people, most of the uproar is more out hatred of Hegseth and Trump, rather than actual concern.

Projection.

Hans Blaster · 2025-12-05T11:24:45-0600

stevevw said:
I find it strange how all this scrutiny is being put on the administration as though they are not credible.

Steve, they AREN'T credible. Trump never was, but at least in Trump I there were actual credible people around him (or even semi-credible people like Mike Pence). This is just no longer the case. There is no one credible at the top of HHS, or DOJ. Federal judges question the credibility and the presumption of regularity in DOJ filings (the presumption that they are telling the truth). Hegseth isn't credible, neither is Gabbard; Sec. Treas. Bessant shows how not credible he is on an ongoing basis. (Not to mention economic clowns like Lutnik and Kevin Hasselt.) The spokes people lie through their teeth with nearly every sentence.

stevevw said:
This is all narrative to undermine the admin as far as I see. Especially coming from some who support the past admin and we know how they used lawfare and now finding out all the ciorruption and fraud.

mega snip

stevevw said:
The point is your making judgements without any evidence and this doing exactly what your accusing the asmin of doing. You have already disqualfied yourself and so has anyone else who makes unsupported claims and narratives because they hate Trump.

I don't know if I am going to respond to another one of you wars on reality. I tried to demonstrate your wrongness, but you just double down with bad analogies, rejections of facts, and other sycophantic behavior. I think I have said enough for now.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-05T11:27:35-0600

Servus said:
From reading your posts.

So maybe you can explain to me why we are blowing up those boats and killing the crews instead of interdicting them in the usual way like the coast Guard is still successfully doing in the Pacific, stopping a flow of cocaine that is actually headed toward the US?

Servus · 2025-12-05T11:31:23-0600

BCP1928 said:
So maybe you can explain to me why we are blowing up those boats and killing the crews instead of interdicting them in the usual way like the coast Guard is still successfully doing in the Pacific, stopping a flow of cocaine that is actually headed toward the US?

As Hegseth said, it's being done as a deterrent. It's to scare them away. The soft passive liberal approach obviously hasn't been working considering the escalation of drugs that have been smuggled into the US.

For them there's a simple solution. Don't want to get blown up? Don't smuggle drugs into the US.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-05T11:41:30-0600

Servus said:
As Hegseth said, it's being done as a deterrent. It's to scare them away. The soft passive liberal approach

Arresting the crews and sinking the boats, you mean.

Servus said:
obviously hasn't been working considering the escalation of drugs that have been smuggled into the US.

For them there's a simple solution. Don't want to get blown up? Don't smuggle drugs into the US.

That's sick. Corrupt, degenerate and disgusting.

RDKirk · 2025-12-05T11:43:13-0600

Servus said:
So the conclusion is that no drugs whatsoever are being smuggled into the US via the Caribbean?

The conclusion is that everyone has a theory they can pull out of thin air. If we want intelligence to plan rational action, we need more data points.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-05T11:52:08-0600

Servus said:
So the conclusion is that no drugs whatsoever are being smuggled into the US via the Caribbean?

The point is you don't know whether they are or not. You don't even know that all the boats destroyed had drugs on them.

Belk · 2025-12-05T12:32:51-0600

Servus said:
As Hegseth said, it's being done as a deterrent. It's to scare them away. The soft passive liberal approach obviously hasn't been working considering the escalation of drugs that have been smuggled into the US.

For them there's a simple solution. Don't want to get blown up? Don't smuggle drugs into the US.

So, to be clear, you believe it OK to kill people in order to deter behavior you see as problematic?

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