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Elijah Comes First

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Those who rejected Jesus of Nazareth rejected John the Baptist first.

Luke 7:28 For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 29 And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John...6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.

The Question: Does the Church look for the coming of Elijah? Would he come to Israel, or to the remnant of Judah who remain in Iran?

Iran still hosts the largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside Israel. The community maintains an active religious and cultural life, with synagogues, Jewish schools, kosher food, and even a Jewish hospital in Tehran.

I don't know if you bothered to watch the Netflix limited series "The Messiah", if not, you must not be that concerned with what deceptions Satan has been presenting to the world. First of all, he was of Iranian/Persian descent. Most interesting was that there was more controversy among practitioners of Islam, at least those who issued complaints to Netflix.



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Yes, the Netflix series Messiah generated significant controversy, particularly from Muslims who called it "evil and anti-Islamic propaganda". Critics pointed to the main character's name, "Al-Masih ad-Dajjal," which translates to "the False Messiah" or "the Antichrist" in Islamic tradition, creating a premise they found deeply offensive and blasphemous. Petitions were launched to boycott the show, and some countries, like Jordan, called for Netflix to ban it.
  • Allegations of anti-Islamic sentiment: Many viewers and officials, particularly in Muslim communities, considered the show's premise an attack on Islam.
  • Character's name: The main character's name, "Al-Masih ad-Dajjal," was seen as a direct reference to the Dajjal (the Antichrist) in Islam, which is a figure of deception and evil.
  • Petitions and calls for a ban: Multiple petitions were started to boycott the series, with one on Change.org garnering thousands of signatures. The Royal Film Commission of Jordan also called on Netflix to ban the series.
  • Netflix's response: Netflix defended the series by stating it was a work of fiction and not based on any single religion or character, while also noting that the character's name was not specified as his real name.
  • Director's perspective: The show's director, Kate Woods, stated that the show was intended to be provocative and generate controversy.
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I think that there is still evidence for a difference to this day among christians who have responded to the call of God and have conviction of sin (which is what john's baptism was)

vs those who have been born again and baptized with the Holy Spirit.

and such a distinction would explain a significant number of disagreements between entire denominations.
 
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I think that there is still evidence for a difference to this day among christians who have responded to the call of God and have conviction of sin (which is what john's baptism was)

vs those who have been born again and baptized with the Holy Spirit.

and such a distinction would explain a significant number of disagreements between entire denominations.
Those who rejected Jesus of Nazareth rejected John the Baptist first.

Luke 7:28 For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 29 And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John...6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.

The Question: Does the Church look for the coming of Elijah? Would he come to Israel, or to the remnant of Judah who remain in Iran?
I was unable to make a connection between your comment and the topic.
 
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Those who rejected Jesus of Nazareth rejected John the Baptist first.

Luke 7:28 For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 29 And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John...6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.

The Question: Does the Church look for the coming of Elijah? Would he come to Israel, or to the remnant of Judah who remain in Iran?

Iran still hosts the largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside Israel. The community maintains an active religious and cultural life, with synagogues, Jewish schools, kosher food, and even a Jewish hospital in Tehran.

I don't know if you bothered to watch the Netflix limited series "The Messiah", if not, you must not be that concerned with what deceptions Satan has been presenting to the world. First of all, he was of Iranian/Persian descent. Most interesting was that there was more controversy among practitioners of Islam, at least those who issued complaints to Netflix.



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Yes, the Netflix series Messiah generated significant controversy, particularly from Muslims who called it "evil and anti-Islamic propaganda". Critics pointed to the main character's name, "Al-Masih ad-Dajjal," which translates to "the False Messiah" or "the Antichrist" in Islamic tradition, creating a premise they found deeply offensive and blasphemous. Petitions were launched to boycott the show, and some countries, like Jordan, called for Netflix to ban it.
  • Allegations of anti-Islamic sentiment: Many viewers and officials, particularly in Muslim communities, considered the show's premise an attack on Islam.
  • Character's name: The main character's name, "Al-Masih ad-Dajjal," was seen as a direct reference to the Dajjal (the Antichrist) in Islam, which is a figure of deception and evil.
  • Petitions and calls for a ban: Multiple petitions were started to boycott the series, with one on Change.org garnering thousands of signatures. The Royal Film Commission of Jordan also called on Netflix to ban the series.
  • Netflix's response: Netflix defended the series by stating it was a work of fiction and not based on any single religion or character, while also noting that the character's name was not specified as his real name.
  • Director's perspective: The show's director, Kate Woods, stated that the show was intended to be provocative and generate controversy.
  • DUH!
Jesus confirms this prophecy was fulfilled in John the Baptist, who came with the "spirit and power of Elijah" to prepare people for the coming of the Messiah.

Note:
Those who rejected Jesus of Nazareth rejected John the Baptist first.

Luke 7:28 For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 29 And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John...6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.

The Question: Does the Church look for the coming of Elijah? Would he come to Israel, or to the remnant of Judah who remain in Iran?

Iran still hosts the largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside Israel. The community maintains an active religious and cultural life, with synagogues, Jewish schools, kosher food, and even a Jewish hospital in Tehran.

I don't know if you bothered to watch the Netflix limited series "The Messiah", if not, you must not be that concerned with what deceptions Satan has been presenting to the world. First of all, he was of Iranian/Persian descent. Most interesting was that there was more controversy among practitioners of Islam, at least those who issued complaints to Netflix.



AI Overview



Yes, the Netflix series Messiah generated significant controversy, particularly from Muslims who called it "evil and anti-Islamic propaganda". Critics pointed to the main character's name, "Al-Masih ad-Dajjal," which translates to "the False Messiah" or "the Antichrist" in Islamic tradition, creating a premise they found deeply offensive and blasphemous. Petitions were launched to boycott the show, and some countries, like Jordan, called for Netflix to ban it.
  • Allegations of anti-Islamic sentiment: Many viewers and officials, particularly in Muslim communities, considered the show's premise an attack on Islam.
  • Character's name: The main character's name, "Al-Masih ad-Dajjal," was seen as a direct reference to the Dajjal (the Antichrist) in Islam, which is a figure of deception and evil.
  • Petitions and calls for a ban: Multiple petitions were started to boycott the series, with one on Change.org garnering thousands of signatures. The Royal Film Commission of Jordan also called on Netflix to ban the series.
  • Netflix's response: Netflix defended the series by stating it was a work of fiction and not based on any single religion or character, while also noting that the character's name was not specified as his real name.
  • Director's perspective: The show's director, Kate Woods, stated that the show was intended to be provocative and generate controversy.
  • DUH!
Those who are to prepare the way for the second coming of Christ are represented (symbolized) by faithful Elijah, as John came in the spirit of Elijah to prepare the way for Christ’s first advent.

It's not a physical appearance of Elijah going to happen
 
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The Question: Does the Church look for the coming of Elijah? Would he come to Israel, or to the remnant of Judah who remain in Iran?

St. Elias did come, at the the Transfiguration on Mount Tabor, described in all three synoptic Gospels. St. Moses was also present.

This feast is regarded by Orthodox Christians as the replacement for Sukkot.
 
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well, the topic is irrelevant because Elijah is not going to come again.

Well, he will return along with everyone else in the General Resurrection, albeit from a different vector, since St. Elias along with St. Moses, St. Enoch and our Glorious Lady Theotokos and Ever Virgin Mary, is among those taken up into heaven bodily, either on the occasion of their repose or in the case of St. Elias, via a chariot of fire (in the case of the Theotokos, her repose helped prove the reality of the human nature of her Son; had she been assumed without dying, as a minority of Roman Catholics believe (I’m pretty sure its a minority; my beloved Roman Catholic friends @chevyontheriver and @Xeno.of.athens might be able to clarify that), it could have created a cause for Docetists to promote the heresy denying the full humanity of Christ our God, which was the most common heresy until the fourth century when, following in the direction of Paul of Samosata, the first Unitarian, and so corrupt the Romans arrested him for embezzling from the church in the only instance where Christians were assisted by the Roman Empire before the Edict of Milan in 314 AD under St. Constantine, Arius established a large sect denying the deity of Christ, whose errors are still felt in various cults like the J/Ws, Unitarian Unversalists and others.
 
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(in the case of the Theotokos, her repose helped prove the reality of the human nature of her Son; had she been assumed without dying, as a minority of Roman Catholics believe (I’m pretty sure its a minority; my beloved Roman Catholic friends @chevyontheriver and @Xeno.of.athens might be able to clarify that), it could have created a cause for Docetists to promote the heresy denying the full humanity of Christ our God, which was the most common heresy until the fourth century when, following in the direction of Paul of Samosata, the first Unitarian, and so corrupt the Romans arrested him for embezzling from the church in the only instance where Christians were assisted by the Roman Empire before the Edict of Milan in 314 AD under St. Constantine, Arius established a large sect denying the deity of Christ, whose errors are still felt in various cults like the J/Ws, Unitarian Unversalists and others.
There is no compulsion from the teaching Church to believe that she died before being assumed or did not die first. For the time being we are free to believe either position and not free to condemn the other position. Myself, I leave it an open question. Kind of like whether GNU HURD will ever be finished.

Anyway, I await the return of Elijah, and am beginning to hope it is soon.
 
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