the myth of flat earth debunked again

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-23T14:07:18-0600

concretecamper said:
But I didn't.

So you TRUST the science all the time? Ok, that may be you, that isn't how everyone is.

Don't put words in my mouth. It's VERY unbecoming of a Christian.

I don't 'trust' science. I accept scientific facts and observations based on evidence found through deduction, study and work.

In the matter of the Earth being a round globe, I don't need to 'trust' science but I accept what science says along with what I see with my own eyes.

I live on the North Wales coast, and the Isle of Man is a smidge over 70 miles in a straight line away from where I live, and whereas I am at sea-level, the Isle of Man stands 48 metres above sea-level. If the Earth was flat as is claimed, I would have no problem seeing the portion of the Isle of Man that faces me. Yet I cannot, which is what we would expect to see on Earth if it was a round globe, and not what we would see if the Earth was flat.

Observation shows the fact that the Earth is not flat. Very simple.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-23T14:16:00-0600

Hentenza said:
With frosting around the edges.

Yeah, that would be Antarctica.

prodromos · 2025-11-23T14:40:18-0600

concretecamper said:
Yeah, it's round .

However, "trust the science" has lost all credibility in the past 5 years.

No one here is saying, "trust the science".

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-23T14:54:02-0600

Bradskii said:
I think Del has left the building. I was going to point out another couple of problems for him.

The first is that ships at night have navigation lights. On certain size ships there'd be two white lights visible from the back as she sails away from you. One on the stern and one atop the mast. If the world was flat then you'd always see those two lights. But as the ship sails away the lower one dissapears. Maybe Del could explain that.

And to contact the ship you'd use VHF radio. Except that as it sails over the horizon it will cut out. And aircraft at 10,000 feet with a decent VHF can contact ships at a distance of around 200 miles. But as the plane flies lower, the radius of the circle within which it can make contact gets smaller. Perhaps he would have had an answer for that as well.

The same way your line of sight increases as you go higher even on a flat surface.

concretecamper · 2025-11-23T14:54:58-0600

prodromos said:
No one here is saying, "trust the science".

Really, read through the post again

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-23T14:57:28-0600

jonojim1337 said:
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The same way your line of sight increases as you go higher even on a flat surface.

Doesn't prove that the world is flat though. A flat Earth wouldn't have a horizon.

concretecamper · 2025-11-23T14:58:28-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I don't 'trust' science. I accept scientific facts and observations based on evidence found through deduction, study and work.

Ok, so you've conducted personal experiments that prove the earth is round? Or are you accepting what others are telling you because it makes sense to you.

Listen I'm not arguing against a round earth, but all everyone has done here is parrot the EVIDENCE provided by other scientific entities. And all I've stated is that "trust the science" doesn't mean what it used to mean.

It comes down to this, flat earthers are crazy because they don't accept what we are told. That doesn't make sense to me any more

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-23T15:00:20-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Doesn't prove that the world is flat though. A flat Earth wouldn't have a horizon.

It doesn’t. We have a vanishing line due optics.

prodromos · 2025-11-23T15:02:36-0600

concretecamper said:
Really, read through the post again

Really. No one is saying "trust the science"

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-23T15:04:56-0600

concretecamper said:
Ok, so you've conducted personal experiments that prove the earth is round? Or are you accepting what others are telling you because it makes sense to you.

Believe it or not, both of those can coexist very peacefully and peaceably with each other. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact, using personal observations, then asking the question of what they mean and finding what they mean is how anyone learns anything.

I even say it in the part of the post that you refused to acknowledge:

"In the matter of the Earth being a round globe, I don't need to 'trust' science but I accept what science says along with what I see with my own eyes.

I live on the North Wales coast, and the Isle of Man is a smidge over 70 miles in a straight line away from where I live, and whereas I am at sea-level, the Isle of Man stands 48 metres above sea-level. If the Earth was flat as is claimed, I would have no problem seeing the portion of the Isle of Man that faces me. Yet I cannot, which is what we would expect to see on Earth if it was a round globe, and not what we would see if the Earth was flat.

Observation shows the fact that the Earth is not flat. Very simple."

concretecamper said:
Listen I'm not arguing against a round earth, but all everyone has done here is parrot the EVIDENCE provided by other scientific entities. And all I've stated is that "trust the science" doesn't mean what it used to mean.

And that's just a comment that does not need to be stated, unprompted as it was from you. You say people 'parrot the evidence', but you have no reason for claiming that. Also, as is said above, not a single person said "Trust the science". You and only you came in and said that, and again that was you putting words in people's mouths, which is very unbecoming of a Christian.

concretecamper said:
It comes down to this, flat earthers are crazy because they don't accept what we are told. That doesn't make sense to me any more

The only bit I'll agree with. And you didn't need the "Oh, "trust the science" has lost all credibility" spiel from yourself to say that.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-23T15:05:34-0600

jonojim1337 said:
It doesn’t. We have a vanishing line due optics.

The two are not the same thing. A vanishing point on a long road is the same as a horizon at all. They are two completely different things.

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-23T15:09:08-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
The two are not the same thing. A vanishing point on a long road is the same as a horizon at all. They are two completely different things.

So, vanishing point is a fact, curvature is not.

prodromos · 2025-11-23T15:11:44-0600

jonojim1337 said:
It doesn’t. We have a vanishing line due optics.

If that was true then we would be able to see further by using optical aids like telescopes and zoom lenses. Fact is it just makes the horizon look closer. You still can't see beyond the curve of the earth.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-23T15:15:40-0600

jonojim1337 said:
So, vanishing point is a fact, curvature is not.

But curvature IS a fact. A well attested fact in fact.

You cannot explain this sequence of photos, at the Strait of Magellan in Chile, with a flat Earth. It's impossible.

Hentenza · 2025-11-23T15:16:45-0600

jonojim1337 said:
So, vanishing point is a fact, curvature is not.

Curvature is indeed a fact. The earth is a sphere so a curvature is par for the course.

Bradskii · 2025-11-23T15:26:26-0600

Apple Sky said:
How can flat straight road curve over the horizon without going up or down ? Absolute rubbish.

It's the longest straight road. Without any bends. It actually rises over some very gentle inclines so it's not flat. But I can see more of the road the higher the drone went.

If I point it out to sea at eye level there maybe no ships visible. But if I fly it up a few hundred metres then the ships which were over the horizon at eye level come into view. How do you explain that?

Bradskii · 2025-11-23T15:29:42-0600

d taylor said:
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Biblical Cosmology

That doesnt work. If the moon is just above the horizon then everyone should see it exactly the same. Maybe you have another explanation that makes sense?

Bradskii · 2025-11-23T15:31:18-0600

jonojim1337 said:
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The same way your line of sight increases as you go higher even on a flat surface.

A drone shows this exactly.

concretecamper · 2025-11-23T15:31:58-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
The only bit I'll agree with. And you didn't need the "Oh, "trust the science" has lost all credibility" spiel from yourself to say that.

Well that all anyone is doing here, is trusting the science.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-23T15:38:47-0600

concretecamper said:
Well that all anyone is doing here, is trusting the science.

And on this matter, how and why is that a bad thing?

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