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Trump plan for peace in Ukraine leaked; calls for Ukraine to cede additional territory, cut military forces. US Ukraine envoy to leave role

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That is so stupid it passes through infinity and beyond. Putin started the war when he annexed Crimea.

Trump’s plan of appeasement to Russia is ludicrous. Russia will take and take and take until it is stopped. Russia believes every piece of land it has troops in belongs to Russia.
Stating that a small incursion would be allowed was more than "stupid," it cost over 1 million casualties. Save the attacks on Trump. Trump has put forth an offer in the negotiation process to try and stop the disastrous slaughter of human beings. It is difficult to get Putin to discuss. This is the art of negotiation. Ukraine and the European countries want changes, no one has to accept anything.
 
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Stating that a small incursion would be allowed was more than "stupid," it cost over 1 million casualties. Save the attacks on Trump. Trump has put forth an offer in the negotiation process to try and stop the disastrous slaughter of human beings. It is difficult to get Putin to discuss. This is the art of negotiation. Ukraine and the European countries want changes, no one has to accept anything.
All of this, all the blood, all the destruction is on Putin’s hands alone. Trump only putting forward plans that favor Putin is reprehensible.
 
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All of this, all the blood, all the destruction is on Putin’s hands alone. Trump only putting forward plans that favor Putin is reprehensible.

Just think of how great the world would be today if instead of punishing Germany after WWI we gave them half of France. WWII would have never happened.
 
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All of this, all the blood, all the destruction is on Putin’s hands alone. Trump only putting forward plans that favor Putin is reprehensible.
A negotiated settlement to a war does not favor just one side. Not one other human being in the world has been able to get the two sides to discuss. Why the vitriol against President Trump? Trump brought up the funding of Russia many years ago and countries brushed him off. Trump is doing what he can to weaken Putin's position:

 
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All of this, all the blood, all the destruction is on Putin’s hands alone. Trump only putting forward plans that favor Putin is reprehensible.
Trump has compassion for the victims of war, and is trying to save as many lives as possible. I don't know if anyone here saw his interview with GB news, but there is a short discussion of such situations beginning around 34 minutes into the interview:
 
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A negotiated settlement to a war does not favor just one side. Not one other human being in the world has been able to get the two sides to discuss. Why the vitriol against President Trump? Trump brought up the funding of Russia many years ago and countries brushed him off. Trump is doing what he can to weaken Putin's position:

The two sides have not sat down together to discuss. Trump is not going to bring a joint resolution. He has repeatedly shown distain towards Zelensky in his meetings and rolled out the red carpet for Putin. Every proposal endorsed by Trump is what Putin requires.
 
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Trump has compassion for the victims of war, and is trying to save as many lives as possible. I don't know if anyone here saw his interview with GB news, but there is a short discussion of such situations beginning around 34 minutes into the interview:
That entire interview is Trump propaganda. Trump is trying to so hard to get credit for ending a war and he is in so far over his head. He is not motivated by compassion but is narcissistic ego.
 
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Stating that a small incursion would be allowed was more than "stupid," it cost over 1 million casualties. Save the attacks on Trump. Trump has put forth an offer in the negotiation process to try and stop the disastrous slaughter of human beings. It is difficult to get Putin to discuss. This is the art of negotiation. Ukraine and the European countries want changes, no one has to accept anything.
Offering the aggressor more territory than they have already occupied is the art of negotiating?
 
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The two sides have not sat down together to discuss. Trump is not going to bring a joint resolution. He has repeatedly shown distain towards Zelensky in his meetings and rolled out the red carpet for Putin. Every proposal endorsed by Trump is what Putin requires.
How to act in public meetings and what stances to take are part of the negotiation process.
 
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How to act in public meetings and what stances to take are part of the negotiation process.
You see distain for one side and praise for the other as negotiation?
 
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Offering the aggressor more territory than they have already occupied is the art of negotiating?

You have to offer something to sweeten the deal. It's the cost of doing business.

Remember, Ukraine wouldn't be in this situation if they hadn't forced Russia to invade.
 
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You have to offer something to sweeten the deal. It's the cost of doing business.

Remember, Ukraine wouldn't be in this situation if they hadn't forced Russia to invade.
Yes, look at what she was wearing after all.
 
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You see distain for one side and praise for the other as negotiation?
That's your spin, when Zelensky started going after the actions of the United States he received a proper lecture from J.D. Vance. Trump and Vance were trying to save lives, tragically a lot more have been lost because Zelensky was stubborn, but Zelesnky has now Freconsidered and just had a telephone call with J.D. Vance in regard to the proposal. To me lives are more important than the back and forth of negotiations.
 
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That's your spin, when Zelensky started going after the actions of the United States he received a proper lecture from J.D. Vance. Trump and Vance were trying to save lives, tragically a lot more have been lost because Zelensky was stubborn, but Zelesnky has now Freconsidered and just had a telephone call with J.D. Vance in regard to the proposal. To me lives are more important than the back and forth of negotiations.
Giving Putin what he wants now will not stop him from taking more later ( and more lives). There is no reason to believe this about saving lives. It is about appeasing Putin and feeding Trump’s ego.
 
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Good news, everyone.

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