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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist
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No, no no. That's not true at all, since it's impossible for anyone to repent unless God first gives them the gift of repentance. You try asking a corpse to repent and see if they exercise their "free choice" and chose to repent. This is exactly what you're suggesting, is possible.
Haven't you heard that you were born dead in sin, how can a dead man exercise his human rights and choose the path to eternal paradise, instead of eternal torment in the lake of fire. Are you suggesting that the vast majority of mankind choses to spend eternity in hell???
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Rom 11:32-God bound everyone to disobedience so...
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Just looking at what is actually being done to the neighbors by the positions Del. Nothing personal. It's just how you happen to see it, but that doesn't mean it adds up
My observations are pretty simple in this regards:
Love neighbors does not equate to promoting them to be burned alive forever for not believing like you.
I'd be embarrassed to try to pin my so called faith in that when faith supposedly works through love and love neighbors
Burning people alive forever is NOT done by faith
Fortunately God is quite a bit better than the sum of us
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Not what I said, but your outlook tells you otherwise. Yes, death was the result of A&E putting their will ahead of the Will of God. It was a factory built safety in case we went rogue like the elohim previously. The dead were dead as resurrection never became a thing until 2000 years back. Choice was what Jesus gave us as to whether we follow the Will of God or our own in achieving the Kingdom. Those that died before Jesus still had been told all through the OT of the same choice, the same choice given A&E. The difference is now, yes, we still will die as soon as we put our will first and we all do, but now we get a chance to repent and find life again, having understood and shown we are worthy of the Kingdom and accept His will over our own. That understanding was not available to A&E as they had not yet taken the knowledge to be able to understand. They were restricted to 'don't touch' as they had no way of understanding why. We do and should make the right decision, not thinking we can have it both ways, pulling a rabbit out of the hat on our deathbeds but lacking the fruits to prove our allegiance to the will of God.
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Yes and here is a map of it, it's supposed to represent the underworld.
Click on the map where ever you want a close up.
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Man, you sure used a lot of sticky tape to hold your theology together. It's like the patchwork on a Mosaic Quilt, it's inconsistent and incoherent. Makes no sense at all and it's unbiblical.
I don't know who the "elohim" are that you're referring to. If you mean the "Angels who sinned" then just refer to them as Demons or fallen Angels.
I don't know what you mean by "the resurrection never became a thing until 2000 years back". If you're suggesting that those who died before Christ came into the world, were under a different covenant, then you're wrong again. God only made two covenants with mankind. The first was "the covenant of the law", only Adam and eve were under that covenant. And the rest of mankind is under thew "covenant of grace".
No third covenant was ever made so we are under the same covenant as Abraham (He is a born again Christian), just as Job, Moses, David and all those who lived before Christ came were.
The only difference between Moses and myself, is Moses placed his trust in the coming Messiah and he was saved by the same Lord Jesus who saved me. But I look back and Moses looked forward. None of us met the Lord Jesus,, but both of us were saved by Him.
God never gave anybody a choice, you have no choice. There is no such thing as free will, because everyone is born into slavery to Satan. Nobody can escape Satan's grip on them, if God doesn't free the captive, then nothing else can.
There is no difference now, the only difference is, I know more than Moses and Abraham put together, they would have loved to know what I know but it was hidden from them. I have the completed canon of scripture, while they only has fragments.
The biggest problem with your theory, is that you failed to take onto consideration the fact that a leopard cannpt change his spots. Just as the natural man can't change his nature. We can only act according to our nature, we are all born with a sin nature, so we sin because we are sinners by nature.
You can't, change your own nature, because you don't have access to the reprogram your operating system Only God has access because He knows the the password.
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The only grip the Adversary has is death, and that was overcome. We are free once again to make the right choice, a willing choice based on understanding of how God's will is superior to our instinctive animalistic self-serving will we are born with like the family cat.
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The elohim are all spiritual beings outside of the physical realm. God is an Elohim but the other elohim are not God. Yet all were referred to as majestic ones. Angels, as we call them, were actually the lower end of the spiritual hierarchy and designated as messengers.
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I agree that Elohim can be translated as angels from the Hebrew. But the actual meaning depends on the context of what Elohim refers to. For example, God is not an angel.
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