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Deuteronomy 30:19
“I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse.
Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live.”
Joshua 24:15
Choose this day whom you will serve.”
Do either present man's notion, "free will; i.e., ability to make all moral choices," e.g., to choose to be sinless?
They do not.

Man's freedom of will is limited by his fallen nature.. .he cannot choose to be sinless.

"Free will," a human, not a Biblical notion, is the power to make all moral choices.
 
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Yes, it's called the word of God: "He who sins is a slave to sin." (Jn 8:34) Slaves to sin do not have free will to never sin.
Can you live a sinless life?
If not, your will is not completely free, it is only partially free.
You said this a hundred times in this thread. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 100 :grin:
Amazing, that you are back with it... this time adding the word unregenerate, as if to say, only some people do not have free will.
How does that support your argument, if man does have free will? It doesn't does it.

It was shown to you that persons are no longer slaves.
Are you a slave, and don't have free will?

Not according to 2 Tim 3:16, "All Scripture is God-breathed," the words are from God, not from humans.
All scripture is inspired of God, yes... and the words that translators use are what?
I'd appreciate if you answer that question with an example. So try this...
In the book of Psalm the word מוֹט (Hebrew mot) is used.
Translators use the English words "To totter," "shake", "slip", or "be moved"

For example, Psalm 104:5, when translated, read....
  1. He set the earth on its foundations, never to be moved. Berean Standard Bible
  2. He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever. New American Standard Bible
  3. He founded the earth upon its place, So that it will not shake forever and ever. Legacy Standard Bible
  4. He established the earth on its foundations; it will never be shaken. Christian Standard Bible
Which of these four highlighted chosen words is God's word, and are any of them human notion?

Nice interchange of ""notion" and "words". . .they are not the same thing.
You said the word is a human notion. Did you not.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say then, since all these words are human construct.
Every word is... whether English, Spanish, German...

Please present the Scripture which contradicts 2 Tim 3:16, above, as well as the Scripture which states the "free will" of man.
LOL. :nomouth:
I don't believe anyone here is crazy... but then, I don't know.
The only person contradicting 2 Timothy 3:16 is the person claiming that God's inspired word is the words translators chose, but they don't accept the words they don't like... such as "freewill", and "free will".

As for the scriptures that refer to free will of man, you did see them... unless of course, you are closing your eyes when you read a post, and see them. You're not doing that, are you?
Would you like me to do a rerun of the posts where you acknowledged the free will of man?
 
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Do either present man's notion, "free will; i.e., ability to make all moral choices," e.g., to choose to be sinless?
They do not.

Man's freedom of will is limited by his fallen nature.. .he cannot choose to be sinless.

"Free will," a human, not a Biblical notion, is the power to make all moral choices.
This argument is dead, Clare.
Too bad you did not leave it buried, but dug it up again.
I'm sorry you are not free. May God have mercy on you.
Would you like us, here on CF to pray for you, so that this may be your state as well? Romans 6:18-22; 1 Peter 1:18-21
 
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@childeye 2 I can see you still do not understand.
First of all, thanks for your response. It would be helpful if you could explain to me what it is you think I don't understand. It's a waste of time to make blank assertions where I have to guess why you think that.
I'm not going to say it's because you don't want to understand, though that's possible, since you are reading my posts, but ignoring them, and refusing to respond to them or answer the questions posed to you.
I've responded to most all of your posts; I do have other things I need to do so my time is limited. It takes a long time for me to write a post and deal with all the miscommunication. There are a few questions that I have not answered just because they proceed into futile directions of discourse and are more or less not asking the right questions.
However, for some reason, you and @Clare73 obviously have something against free will.
I don't know what it is, but I'm guessing you had this argument before, and you don't want to admit you are wrong.
Whatever the case, it's not possible for either of you to refute the proof in this thread.
I can't speak for @Clare73. But speaking for myself, yes, I have a problem with the philosophical definition of free will.

Here is why:
I testify to God The Father and to His Son, His Christ Jesus, and to the Holy Spirit of Truth. In that capacity, I am pointing out how the pragmatics of scripture shows that if we acknowledge God as Truth, and His Christ as the living Word, then in the moral/immoral context of good and evil, speaking of ‘choosing God’ reduces Him to a mere option. This is a false premise, because God is not an alternative among moral immoral choices, but the power in the soul that does what is right without deliberation. The language of “choosing God” misrepresents His nature.

“I’ve understood for a long time that what people call ‘free will’ doesn’t capture the truth of Scripture. God’s Spirit is the power that makes righteousness possible, not human choice. I see this confirmed again and again in passages like John 1:13 and Philippians 2:13.”

John 1:12–13 – “But to all who did receive Him, who believed in His name, He gave the power to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”

Romans 9:16
“So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.”

Philippians 2:13 – “For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.”

Hebrews 13:20–21 – “Now may the God of peace… equip you with everything good that you may do His will, working in us that which is pleasing in His sight.”

James 1:18 – “Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.”

Galatians 2:20 – “It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me.”

Romans 8:10–11 – “If Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He… will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.”

Galatians 5:22–23 – “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.”

John 14:16–17
“And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper… even the Spirit of truth… You know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.”

2 Corinthians 3:17–18
“Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom… we are being transformed into His image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.”

I truly appreciate your candor above, and you've earned a measure of respect from me for saying "I'm guessing you had this argument before, and you don't want to admit you are wrong". Now listen carefully so that you intend to understand me as you would want to be understood. I didn't choose to give you respect, which is why I say you earned it. I couldn't choose to not admit you have earned respect without being a liar. I don't have a choice in all honesty before God, because you are being honest and truth is a power. I have to respect that a good brother will tell me when they think I'm wrong because they care about me, I respect that.

It doesn't mean you're correct. So, in respect of your honesty please don't get defensive about what I am about to say, and please evaluate my words on a factual basis according to scripture: You did NOT slander me because you said, "I'm guessing". But this thought about me --> "You don't want to admit your wrong" is the devil talking in your mind. Devil=accuser slanderer.

Devil= accuser/slanderer.
Slander is when you hear, believe, and spread bad things about others without proof. I said you did NOT slander me, so I'm just pointing out that a consistent form of wickedness that manifests in scripture is WANTING TO BELIEVE BAD THINGS ABOUT OTHERS. In the carnal mind, entertaining slander causes a person to feel lifted up in themselves through the sense that they are looking down upon others. If you don't see that what I am saying ABOUT SLANDER is true according to scripture, then you won't see how the devil is first and foremost, as the father of lies, an accuser/slanderer in scripture. Bottom-line: If you end up believing this about me ->"you don't want to admit you are wrong", you will have a different spirit living in you, then if you believe, "Maybe he knows something I don't see". Which spirit do you think comes by grace through faith and which one is slander?
 
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Do either present man's notion, "free will; i.e., ability to make all moral choices," e.g., to choose to be sinless?
They do not.

Man's freedom of will is limited by his fallen nature.. .he cannot choose to be sinless.

"Free will," a human, not a Biblical notion, is the power to make all moral choices.
Oh... and the only notion of man here, is this
"free will; i.e., ability to make all moral choices," e.g., to choose to be sinless
That is not even in a dictionary on planet earth. I don' know if one does exist on Mars, but certainly no man has ever seen a dictionary with that concoction.
 
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First of all, thanks for your response. It would be helpful if you could explain to me what it is you think I don't understand. It's a waste of time to make blank assertions where I have to guess why you think that.

I've responded to most all of your posts; I do have other things I need to do so my time is limited. It takes a long time for me to write a post and deal with all the miscommunication. There are a few questions that I have not answered just because they proceed into futile directions of discourse and are more or less not asking the right questions.

I can't speak for @Clare73. But speaking for myself, yes, I have a problem with the philosophical definition of free will: Here is why: I testify to God The Father and to His Son, His Christ Jesus, and to the Holy Spirit of Truth.

In that capacity, I am pointing out how the pragmatics of scripture shows that if we acknowledge God as Truth, and His Christ as the living Word, then in the moral/immoral context of good and evil, speaking of ‘choosing God’ reduces Him to a mere option. This is a false premise, because God is not an alternative among moral immoral choices, but the power in the soul that does what is right without deliberation. The language of “choosing God” misrepresents His nature.

“I’ve understood for a long time that what people call ‘free will’ doesn’t capture the truth of Scripture. God’s Spirit is the power that makes righteousness possible, not human choice. I see this confirmed again and again in passages like John 1:13 and Philippians 2:13.”

John 1:12–13 – “But to all who did receive Him, who believed in His name, He gave the power to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”

Romans 9:16
“So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.”

Philippians 2:13 – “For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.”

Hebrews 13:20–21 – “Now may the God of peace… equip you with everything good that you may do His will, working in us that which is pleasing in His sight.”

James 1:18 – “Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.”

Galatians 2:20 – “It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me.”

Romans 8:10–11 – “If Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He… will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.”

Galatians 5:22–23 – “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.”

John 14:16–17
“And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper… even the Spirit of truth… You know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.”

2 Corinthians 3:17–18
“Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom… we are being transformed into His image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.”

I truly appreciate your candor above, and you've earned a measure of respect from me for saying "I'm guessing you had this argument before, and you don't want to admit you are wrong". Now listen carefully so that you intend to understand me as you would want to be understood. I didn't choose to give you respect, which is why I say you earned it. I couldn't choose to not admit you have earned respect without being a liar. I don't have a choice in all honesty before God, because you are being honest and truth is a power. I have to respect that a good brother will tell me when they think I'm wrong because they care about me, I respect that.

It doesn't mean you're correct. So, in respect of your honesty please don't get defensive about what I am about to say, and please evaluate my words on a factual basis according to scripture: You did NOT slander me because you said, "I'm guessing". But this thought about me --> "You don't want to admit your wrong" is the devil talking in your mind. Devil=accuser slanderer.

Devil= accuser/slanderer.
Slander is when you hear, believe, and spread bad things about others without proof. I said you did NOT slander me, so I'm just pointing out that a consistent form of wickedness that manifests in scripture is WANTING TO BELIEVE BAD THINGS ABOUT OTHERS. In the carnal mind, entertaining slander causes a person to feel lifted up in themselves through the sense that they are looking down upon others. If you don't see that what I am saying ABOUT SLANDER is true according to scripture, then you won't see how the devil is first and foremost, as the father of lies, an accuser/slanderer in scripture. Bottom-line: If you end up believing this about me ->"you don't want to admit you are wrong", you will have a different spirit living in you, then if you believe, "Maybe he knows something I don't see". Which spirit do you think is grace through faith and which one is slander?
Ah. I see. Your ideas trump Greek and Hebrew lexical works.
That's all I need to hear. Why haven't you constructed ChildEye Lexicon, and published it?
Are you short of funds... or knowledge?
 
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Ah. I see. Your ideas trump Greek and Hebrew lexical works.
It's not MY idea, it's the Gospel. I simply posted the scriptures showing we don't choose to be righteous of our own accord, that's all.

That's all I need to hear. Why haven't you constructed ChildEye Lexicon, and published it?
So, you're convinced?
Are you short of funds... or knowledge?
I don't presume to think there's anything wrong with the lexicons that exist.
 
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1 Corinthians 10:13

“…God will not let you be tempted beyond your strength…
but will provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.”
I testify to God that He does do that for me. Thank God
 
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@childeye 2 there's not much to say to you, since I know you read my posts, so I'll just say you chose to have a conversation with yourself rather than with me, by talking about "will" rather than the subject of the OP, which is "free will".
That's off topic, and I am not taking this thread off topic.
If at any time you want to get back to the topic, and actually discuss it with me, feel free to respond to the posts that actually discuss one's "free will".
That would be these...
Posts #172, #184, and #209, if you like.
These make clear that both you and I understand that we aren't discussing "the will".

I think I have covered everything here.
I disagree. I am on topic. The record shows I asked you for clarification about what you meant by free will. That would include the term "will" and whether it denotes a desire or the ability to choose. The op asserts that free will exists, so I am invited to challenge that premise. The record shows that in that endeavor my comments on the will would be strictly in the moral/immoral context. I didn't say comments on the 'free' will because free is qualified several different ways in your op and other posts, and I don't think you're even aware of that. In some places it's an adjective or an adverb and other's "will" is a noun. At any rate I do not want to accept a false premise and speak against God as if free will is real or not real, when I can't be sure of what you mean by free will.

As it stands, I don't believe we can choose to be righteous apart from God's Spirit; to know Him is to know brotherly love. That's my contribution to your thread. This is why I don't believe free will is real if it means we choose to be righteous apart from God. The record shows that to me it's the same form of lie in the garden. The record also shows that because you neglected to qualify your terms, I posted the Merriam webster definition for free will myself. Here it is again. And as you can see, just like I said, in a moral/immoral context belief in free will asserts that God does not intervene in human choices.

freewill​

1 of 2

adjective

free·will ˈfrē-ˌwil

Synonyms of freewill
: voluntary, spontaneous
free will
2 of 2

noun

1
: voluntary choice or decision
I do this of my own free will.


2
: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention.

Examples of divine intervention


  • Proverbs 16:9– “The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.”
    • Human beings make plans, but God determines the outcome.
  • Jeremiah 10:23– “I know, O Lord, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.”
    • Human choice is not autonomous; God directs the path.
  • Philippians 2:13– “For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.”
    • Even the willing (the choice itself) is God’s work in us.
  • John 6:44– “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.”
    • The choice to believe in Christ is initiated by God’s drawing, not human free will.
  • Romans 9:16– “So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.”
    • Salvation is explicitly said to depend on God’s intervention, not human will.
  • Acts 16:14– “The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.”
    • Lydia’s “choice” to believe was enabled by God opening her heart.
  • Ezekiel 36:27– “I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes.”
    • Obedience is caused by God’s Spirit, not independent human decision.
 
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You said this a hundred times in this thread. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 100 :grin:
Amazing, that you are back with it... this time adding the word unregenerate, as if to say, only some people do not have free will.
How does that support your argument, if man does have free will? It doesn't does it.

It was shown to you that persons are no longer slaves.
Are you a slave, and don't have free will?


All scripture is inspired of God, yes... and the words that translators use are what?
I'd appreciate if you answer that question with an example. So try this...
In the book of Psalm the word מוֹט (Hebrew mot) is used.
Translators use the English words "To totter," "shake", "slip", or "be moved"

For example, Psalm 104:5, when translated, read....
  1. He set the earth on its foundations, never to be moved. Berean Standard Bible
  2. He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever. New American Standard Bible
  3. He founded the earth upon its place, So that it will not shake forever and ever. Legacy Standard Bible
  4. He established the earth on its foundations; it will never be shaken. Christian Standard Bible
Which of these four highlighted chosen words is God's word, and are any of them human notion?


You said the word is a human notion. Did you not.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say then, since all these words are human construct.
Every word is... whether English, Spanish, German...


LOL. :nomouth:
I don't believe anyone here is crazy... but then, I don't know.
The only person contradicting 2 Timothy 3:16 is the person claiming that God's inspired word is the words translators chose, but they don't accept the words they don't like... such as "freewill", and "free will".

As for the scriptures that refer to free will of man, you did see them... unless of course, you are closing your eyes when you read a post, and see them. You're not doing that, are you?
Would you like me to do a rerun of the posts where you acknowledged the free will of man?
"Free will" is a human notion nowhere stated in Scripture.
The human notion means power to make all moral choices.
Man does not have the power to make all moral choices, he cannot choose to live a sinless life.
Man's will has limited freedom only.
 
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This argument is dead, Clare.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
So all you have to do is demonstrate your claim by choosing to live a sinless life in thought, word and deed.
If you can't make and execute that choice, your "free will" is limited, and not truly free.

It's not complicated. . .
Too bad you did not leave it buried, but dug it up again.
I'm sorry you are not free. May God have mercy on you.
Would you like us, here on CF to pray for you, so that this may be your state as well? Romans 6:18-22; 1 Peter 1:18-21
Falls somewhat short of a demonstrated refutation.
 
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It's not MY idea, it's the Gospel. I simply posted the scriptures showing we don't choose to be righteous of our own accord, that's all.
Perhaps at this point you can answer the question I asked twice, which you ignored.
Ephesians 4:30 reads... And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
How does one grieve the spirit? Isaiah 65:10

So, you're convinced?
Sure, I'm convinced. :smile:

I don't presume to think there's anything wrong with the lexicons that exist.
You don't?
No, you do... Throughout this entire thread... from your first post.
You have denied all of these.

Regarding free will - the ability to make decisions of our own, unforced; willfully, and intentionally; voluntarily; of our own accord, rather than God controlling or predetermining our choice, is a Biblical teaching.
The Bible says, at Hosea 14:4, in part...
I will freely love them / I will love them freely
The Hebrew expression nedabah (נְדָבָה) is rendered freewill offering, freely, plentiful, voluntary, offering, willingly, offering.
This Hebrew word comes from the Hebrew word nadab, of which Topical Lexicon says...
The verb נָדַב consistently underlines a movement of the heart that is neither coerced nor merely dutiful. It describes people stirred from within to give, serve, or step forward because they have first been moved by God. Throughout Scripture this spirit of readiness is linked to worship, stewardship, civic responsibility, and warfare, revealing a multifaceted biblical theology of voluntary devotion.

God was not coerced into loving his people, but did so freely; willingly.
Exercising free will first started with God, and as humans are made in God's image, they too have this God given attribute, as can be seen in the scriptures where God allows persons to give him worship of their own accord, or of their own free will.
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God gave humans the opportunity to make a personal choice regarding their course in life. Deuteronomy 30:19, 20

At 1 Corinthians 9:16-18, verse 17 says,
For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if unwillingly, I am entrusted with a stewardship.
Paul uses the Greek word hekón: Willing, Voluntary. Which means of one's own free will.
According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon...
STRONGS NT 1635: ἑκών
ἑκών, ἑκοῦσα, ἑκον, unforced, voluntary, willing, of one's own will, of one's own accord: Romans 8:20; 1 Corinthians 9:17. (From Homer down.)

At Philemon 1:14, Paul says...
But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that your goodness will not be out of compulsion, but by your own free will (Berean Standard Bible; NASB; Amplified Bible; Christian Standard Bible; Holman Christian Standard Bible; American Standard Version; English Revised Version; New Heart English Bible; Majority Standard Bible; World English Bible; Smith's Literal Translation; Anderson New Testament; Godbey New Testament) / according to willingness / willingly / voluntary / not something forced.
The Greek word hekousios - meaning free will, is the neuter of a derivative from hekon; voluntariness -- willingly, which is (an adjective, a primitive term) – properly, willing; "unforced, of one's own will, voluntary" (J. Thayer), i.e. acting on one's own accord. The root (hek-) emphasizes intentional, deliberate action (choice), i.e. "of free-will" (J. Thayer).

This you have done, while at the same time dismissing the meaning of voluntary.
voluntary
adjective
Done or undertaken of one's own free will.​
a voluntary decision to leave the job.​
Acting or done willingly and without constraint or expectation of reward.​
a voluntary hostage; voluntary community work.​
Normally controlled by or subject to individual volition.​
The act of willing or choosing; the act of forming a purpose; the exercise of the will.​
The result of an act or exercise of choosing or willing; a state of choice.​
The power of willing or determining; will.​
Now, you are denying that you haven't dismissed them???
No, you have... the entire thread from page 3, post 56.
 
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Oh... and the only notion of man here, is this

That is not even in a dictionary on planet earth. I don' know if one does exist on Mars, but certainly no man has ever seen a dictionary with that concoction.
Therein is your problem, you're using the wrong book. . .try a book on metaphysics.
 
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"Free will" is a human notion nowhere stated in Scripture.
The human notion means power to make all moral choices.
Man does not have the power to make all moral choices, he cannot choose to live a sinless life.
Man's will has limited freedom only.
I would parrot myself when I didn't want to hear, respond to, or answer questions, I know expose my unreasonableness.
I'd do it while doing this...
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Yes, I would do the same thing the Pharisees did to Jesus.
 
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I disagree. I am on topic. The record shows I asked you for clarification about what you meant by free will. That would include the term "will" and whether it denotes a desire or the ability to choose.
The record shows I gave clarification... repeatedly.
The record shows you ignored the posts.

The op asserts that free will exists, so I am invited to challenge that premise. The record shows that in that endeavor my comments on the will would be strictly in the moral/immoral context. I didn't say comments on the 'free' will because free is qualified several different ways in your op and other posts, and I don't think you're even aware of that. In some places it's an adjective or an adverb and other's "will" is a noun. At any rate I do not want to accept a false premise and speak against God as if free will is real or not real, when I can't be sure of what you mean by free will.
The record shows you wanted to talk about something that wasn't actually what the OP referred to.
The record shows that you didn't want to accept that, but wanted it your way, and so, went right on ahead with what you wanted... ignoring me - the OP, and my posts.
 
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I would parrot myself when I didn't want to hear, respond to, or answer questions, I know expose my unreasonableness.
I'd do it while doing this...
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Yes, I would do the same thing the Pharisees did to Jesus.
Entertaining. . .however, still falling short of a Biblical refutation. . .
 
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The record shows I gave clarification... repeatedly.
The record shows you ignored the posts.
Listen, you're not going to get anywhere with her. Her belief is that unless you can ALWAYS choose right, you don't have free will. Of course that is a bogus belief, but it's the way she sees it.
 
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Listen, you're not going to get anywhere with her. Her belief is that unless you can ALWAYS choose right, you don't have free will. Of course that is a bogus belief, but it's the way she sees it.
Correct. . .that is the way philosophy sees it, "free will" being a philosophical notion, not a Biblical notion.

If you cannot always choose right, then there are times when your will is not free; i.e., your "free will" is limited, which is only partial free will. . .thanks to the fall.

Remember, "free will" is not a Biblical notion, it is a philosophical notion which has its own definition.
 
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Correct. . .that is the way philosophy sees it, "free will" being a philosophical notion, not a Biblical notion.
Thank you for demonstrating your incorrect notion of philosophy as well as Theology
 
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Thank you for demonstrating your incorrect notion of philosophy as well as Theology
It falls to you to demonstrate the philosophical error, as well as the Scriptural basis regarding "free will,"
keeping in mind that man's will is not free to live sinlessly, at best his "free will" is only partial or limited.
 
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