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Apple Sky · 2025-11-18T12:30:49-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Can you please send me the link to that page because the link in that video doesn’t take me to the pages he’s reading he’s actually reading from.

Here they are, they maybe old, so some of them may not work.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingro... https://www.cia.gov/library/readingro... https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca... https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca... https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca... https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca... https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/p... https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca... https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/p..

prodromos · 2025-11-18T12:55:48-0600

Apple Sky said:
So Rob skiba was right about his refraction kit.

No, as I have posted on these threads multiple times. Rob's kit uses the wrong half of the lens and bends light upwards, the opposite of what happens with atmospheric refraction. Either you really do have memory issues or you are simply being a troll.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-18T13:15:13-0600

prodromos said:
No, as I have posted on these threads multiple times. Rob's kit uses the wrong half of the lens and bends light upwards, the opposite of what happens with atmospheric refraction. Either you really do have memory issues or you are simply being a troll.

Yep - His kit has defiantly proved this. Watch the vid.

prodromos · 2025-11-18T13:31:13-0600

Apple Sky said:
Yep - His kit has defiantly proved this. Watch the vid.

Are you mentally deficient? I'm the one who brought the video to your attention to highlight Rob's falsehood. (and I believe the word you intended to use was "definitely".)
Rob's kit proved he had no real understanding of atmospheric refraction, but the fact that he continued to market these after he had been informed of his error, demonstrates his true motives.

prodromos · 2025-11-18T14:35:00-0600

Here is a clip from Rob's video

And here is the original, so you can get a better look.

Notice that they are looking through the top half of the lens (which is bending light downwards, ie. what happens with atmospheric refraction). With Rob's kit, he has you looking through the bottom half of the lens which is bending light upwards (ie. the complete opposite of what happens with atmospheric refraction). Rob is a fraud.

Here's a link to the video Rob took his clip from

To quote Rob Skiba from the end of his video:

Rob Skiba said:
You don't get to pick the anomalies that seem to agree with your views and ignore the common observations that don't and still call yourself an honest investigator

Apple Sky · 2025-11-18T14:45:21-0600

prodromos said:
Here is a clip from Rob's video
View attachment 373329

And here is the original, so you can get a better look.
View attachment 373330

Notice that they are looking through the top half of the lens (which is bending light downwards, ie. what happens with atmospheric refraction). With Rob's kit, he has you looking through the bottom half of the lens which is bending light upwards (ie. the complete opposite of what happens with atmospheric refraction). Rob is a fraud.

Here's a link to the video Rob took his clip from

To quote Rob Skiba from the end of his video:

I disagree, rob is no fraud or liar.

prodromos · 2025-11-18T14:52:11-0600

Apple Sky said:
I disagree, rob is no fraud or liar.

No surprises there. You are cut from the same cloth.
Rob's deception is right there in front of you, documented on a video of his own making. He stands self condemned.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-18T15:08:17-0600

prodromos said:
Rob is a fraud.

You also called Dean Odle a liar just because they both believe in F/E.

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-18T15:13:23-0600

Apple Sky said:
Here they are, they maybe old, so some of them may not work.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingro... https://www.cia.gov/library/readingro... https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca... https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca... https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca... https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca... https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/p... https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca... https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/p..

Yeah you just copied & pasted what he had in the description. None of these actually go to the page that he was reading in the video.

Phil G · 2025-11-18T15:16:44-0600

Apple Sky said:
You also called Dean Odle a liar just because they both believe in F/E.

Dean Odle was wrong about a field being flat. If he didn’t know then that it was curved for drainage, he does now. Why hasn’t he either amended his video on his own church’s YouTube channel or taken it down?

If he continues to have it posted on YouTube, then he is a deceiver, not because he believes the earth to be flat, but because he continues to deceive with his video.

You have been told this many times, yet you continue to misrepresent what @prodromos is saying. What is wrong with you that you can’t see this?

prodromos · 2025-11-18T15:24:39-0600

Apple Sky said:
You also called Dean Odle a liar just because they both believe in F/E.

No, they are both liars because they have both been proven to engage in deception. If someone made false claims in an attempt to prove the globe I would equally call them out.
Now you on the other hand have absolutely called people liars because they believe in the globe earth. This makes you a blatant hypocrite.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-18T15:38:31-0600

Apple Sky said:
You also called Dean Odle a liar just because they both believe in F/E.

I don't believe it's just because they believe in Flat Earth - no one would call someone else a liar because they had a certain belief.

I seem to remember there was some incident involving Dean Odel and a playing field. I think he said that it was level and it wasn't and he was later proved to be wrong. If he was wrong, he knew he was wrong and didn't correct his statement; he lied.
In the above video, it seems that Rob is looking through a certain part of a lens. Then he issued a kit where he had you looking through a different part of the lens. If he knew that he had made a mistake but didn't own up to it, OR if he deliberately instructed people to look through a different part of the lens, he lied.

These two things can be proved, or disproved. A field is either flat or it isn't, and the instructions in a kit either say to look through the top, or bottom, part of a lens. They have nothing to do with belief - those men are/were either right or wrong.
The statement has been made that they were both wrong - again, it's easy to prove. If that was the case, and the men cared about the truth, the best thing they could have done was to say they made a mistake, offer an apology and re-think what they were trying to demonstrate.

If they were told, and shown, that they were wrong and they refused to issue an apology or correction, they are/were deliberately misleading people.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-18T15:55:02-0600

prodromos said:
Now you on the other hand have absolutely called people liars because they believe in the globe earth.

When ?

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-18T15:55:33-0600

Apple Sky said:
View attachment 371921
Flat Earth

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UN logo

You'll notice that the continents are in the same position, what do they really know ?

B♭

Ok so according to your map here, here’s a problem I found that you can easily verify for yourself. Now based on the distance from the center of the map to the outside edge and using that as a reference to scale distance which should be the same distance from pole to pole on a globe which is 12,416 miles, a cruise ship named the Queen Mary 2 sails from Cape Town South Africa to Perth Australia in 15 days but it has 3 stops and all three together total 32.5 hours of stop time. So the total time from departure from Cape Town to arrival at Perth is 369 hours. So if we subtract the stop time we get 336.5 hours of actual travel time. The distance according to your flat earth map is right at 12,000 nautical miles. So for the Queen Mary 2 to travel 12,000 nm in 336.5 hours that means it has to travel at around 40 knots which is impossible for any ship that size. The actual cruising speed for that vessel is 13-17 knots. But with your flat earth map that ship has to somehow travel 2.5 times faster than it is capable of traveling.

Here’s a link to the itinerary for this cruise in case you’d like to verify it.

https://m.icruise.com/itineraries/16-night-cape-town-to-fremantle-cruise_queen-mary-2_2-1-2024.html

Strong in Him · 2025-11-18T15:59:26-0600

Apple Sky said:
When ?

Well you've called Charles Duke a liar when he said that he walked on the moon. And while he was in space/the rocket, he would have seen exactly what shape the earth was.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-18T16:26:05-0600

Strong in Him said:
Well you've called Charles Duke a liar when he said that he walked on the moon. And while he was in space/the rocket, he would have seen exactly what shape the earth was.

I thought @prodromos mean''''''t someone on here.

Phil G · 2025-11-18T16:27:54-0600

Apple Sky said:
I thought @prodromos mean''''''t someone on here.

Where did he say or even imply that he meant on here?

You definitely have a problem understanding context of what is written.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-18T16:35:48-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Ok so according to your map here, here’s a problem I found that you can easily verify for yourself. Now based on the distance from the center of the map to the outside edge and using that as a reference to scale distance which should be the same distance from pole to pole on a globe which is 12,416 miles, a cruise ship named the Queen Mary 2 sails from Cape Town South Africa to Perth Australia in 15 days but it has 3 stops and all three together total 32.5 hours of stop time. So the total time from departure from Cape Town to arrival at Perth is 369 hours. So if we subtract the stop time we get 336.5 hours of actual travel time. The distance according to your flat earth map is right at 12,000 nautical miles. So for the Queen Mary 2 to travel 12,000 nm in 336.5 hours that means it has to travel at around 40 knots which is impossible for any ship that size. The actual cruising speed for that vessel is 13-17 knots. But with your flat earth map that ship has to somehow travel 2.5 times faster than it is capable of traveling.

Here’s a link to the itinerary for this cruise in case you’d like to verify it.

https://m.icruise.com/itineraries/16-night-cape-town-to-fremantle-cruise_queen-mary-2_2-1-2024.html

You may as well be talking double dutch to me. :scratch:

Phil G said:
Where did he say or even imply that he meant on here?

I thought he mean''''''''t people on here, I'm not a mind reader.

Phil G · 2025-11-18T17:25:14-0600

Apple Sky said:
I thought he mean''''''''t people on here, I'm not a mind reader.

The context was people not on here. Like Skiba and Odle. @prodromos said he wasn’t calling them liars because they believed in a flat earth but because they are proven deceivers. He then said that you have called people liars because they believed in a globe earth.

What part of his point changed the context from people not on here (Skiba & Odle) to people on here?

You don’t need to be a mind reader to figure that he didn’t mean on here, you just need to pay attention to context, something you seem to have a major problem doing in a number of your claims!

Phil G · 2025-11-18T17:26:28-0600

Apple Sky said:
You may as well be talking double dutch to me.

No wonder you can’t get your head around a globe earth. You can’t even get your head around distance and speed!

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