Is President Trump Corrupt? Three Stories.

Vambram · 2025-11-17T13:27:52-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
Answer the question. Are you fine with the president and his family using the office of the president to secure future business deals for themselves?

Aren’t you one of those that decried Joe and Hunter Biden for using the presidency to enrich themselves?

I did answer the question. Whereas with Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, their riches came from payouts to them even though those 2 had no experience running large corporations.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-11-17T14:34:10-0600

Vambram said:
I did answer the question. Whereas with Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, their riches came from payouts to them even though those 2 had no experience running large corporations.

Not sure what experience has to do with using the office of the president for self enrichment.

You’re saying if they had more experience in the private sector you would have been fine with them using the presidency to bring in more money for themselves?

You’re avoiding the question. Are you ok with the president using his office to make private deals for his own businesses? Answer yes or no please.

Vambram · 2025-11-17T15:36:42-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
Not sure what experience has to do with using the office of the president for self enrichment.

You’re saying if they had more experience in the private sector you would have been fine with them using the presidency to bring in more money for themselves?

You’re avoiding the question. Are you ok with the president using his office to make private deals for his own businesses? Answer yes or no please.

I am okay with the businesses of the Trump family continuing to build hotels and golf courses as they have been doing for decades.

rambot · 2025-11-17T15:51:45-0600

Vambram said:
It's obvious that you have an anti Trump bias.

You are hilarious.

Reporting news stories means you have an "anti-Trump bias".

rambot · 2025-11-17T15:52:39-0600

Vambram said:
I am okay with the businesses of the Trump family continuing to build hotels and golf courses as they have been doing for decades.

So what's the problem with Hunter Biden pursuing business interest in China then.

I will assume the answer will be "nothing".

rambot · 2025-11-17T15:53:11-0600

Vambram said:
Snopes is always known as an unreliable source.

So what did they get wrong in this case?

Vambram · 2025-11-17T16:42:53-0600

rambot said:
You are hilarious.

Reporting news stories means you have an "anti-Trump bias".

Those were not "news stories."

Vambram · 2025-11-17T16:43:51-0600

rambot said:
So what's the problem with Hunter Biden pursuing business interest in China then.

I will assume the answer will be "nothing".

What expertise or resources did Hunter Biden have that China wanted?

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-11-17T16:53:00-0600

Vambram said:
What expertise or resources did Hunter Biden have that China wanted?

Who cares? They’re the ones spending the money.

You’re obviously fine with elected (or otherwise) officials using their positions for personal profit. What’s the problem with Hunter joining in? You can’t argue it’s fine for Trump then turn around and say it’s wrong when a democrat is suspected of doing the same.

rambot · 2025-11-17T17:00:04-0600

Vambram said:
What expertise or resources did Hunter Biden have that China wanted?

That doesn't matter whatsoever, does it?

rambot · 2025-11-17T17:01:13-0600

Vambram said:
Those were not "news stories."

I love that you put "news stories" in quote marks without justifying or explaining yourself in any way..

Vambram · 2025-11-17T18:38:06-0600

rambot said:
That doesn't matter whatsoever, does it?

Yes it does.

Vambram · 2025-11-17T18:40:08-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
Who cares? They’re the ones spending the money.

You’re obviously fine with elected (or otherwise) officials using their positions for personal profit. What’s the problem with Hunter joining in? You can’t argue it’s fine for Trump then turn around and say it’s wrong when a democrat is suspected of doing the same.

The Trump businesses have a long standing decades history of success waaaaay before he decided to run for president. On the other hand, Hunter Biden doesn't.

rambot · 2025-11-17T18:42:41-0600

Vambram said:
Yes it does.

Why?

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-11-17T18:44:34-0600

Vambram said:
The Trump businesses have a long standing decades history of success waaaaay before he decided to run for president. On the other hand, Hunter Biden doesn't.

The Trump businesses have a long standing history of being fraudulent scams.

And Hunter Biden never ran for office, he’s been a private citizen his whole life.

See? We can both play this dumb game.

But if you say it’s ok for Trump to use the presidency to secure business deals for himself then you’re arguing that it’s ok for anyone to use the presidency in this way. Is that really the precedent you’d like to set?

rambot · 2025-11-17T18:54:50-0600

Vambram said:
The Trump businesses have a long standing decades history of success waaaaay

Gotta stop you there.
His business successes are not all that impressive. He got a substantial amount of his wealth by licensing his name. There's no skillset there. That's just convincing people your NAME (not your skills, mind you) are worth it.
That's a helpful indicator to recognize the reality that he is one of the bottom 5 ranked president of all time by most historians.

I have NEVER heard anyone impartial say anything overly glowing about his skills in investments or actual business acumen. I have heard many people call him some very unflattering things regarding his intelligence. And I've seen him say things that also make me question it (I can't imagine what he says behind closed doors protected by NDAs...which is its own psychotic issue)

Vambram said:
before he decided to run for president. On the other hand, Hunter Biden doesn't.

Well he graduated from Yale Law school and I'm not convinced that was a hindrance in his life nor that he learned any marketable skills while attending. He was on the board of Amtrak; Perhaps that Chinese had interest in such things (even though the US is HILARIOUSLY behind, well, the rest of the world, in train travel).
And then, of course, he had his investment firm. Who could guess why an investment firm would want to go to China.

So...again....what difference did it make? What was it again that made trump's nepotism acceptable but Biden is in the wrong?

ThatRobGuy · 2025-11-17T19:02:03-0600

rambot said:
That doesn't matter whatsoever, does it?

In a way, yes...

Because there are multiple channels by which "influence leveraging" can be carried out.

I know this to be the case because people were understandably suspicious when Don Jr. was using his dad's name to carve out some nice deals for himself.

One could argue that "letting it happen, because there may be a little something in it for me later" is corruption-by-proxy, wouldn't you agree?

As history would have it, Hunter Biden's entire adult life was holding outsized positions that were way out of his league and expertise. His Dad being a long time senator, then a VP, then a P, certainly isn't coincidental.

He got a high ranking position (Executive Vice President) within MBNA (a bank holding company in Delaware) while his Dad was a senator there... for those who remember, Joe used to be referred to as "The Senator from MBNA".

His Dad was taking him on Air Force 2 to close business deals in China.

Hunter ended up getting appointed to the Department of Commerce by his dad's buddy Bill Clinton. Joe had nothing to do with that?

And then of course there was the Burisma fiasco, where he was put on the board of an industry in which he had zero experience, in a country whose language he didn't speak.

His dad (and his dad's position) had nothing to do with that? People with severe substance abuse problems just "luck into" 8 figure board positions in overseas energy companies with zero experience in the sector all the time, right?

His dad was clearly "hooking up" him up?

There's only two options:
1) Joe was using his positions over the years to help his family make some money.
2) Hunter is the most over-achieving, luckiest cocaine addict in the history of the United States.

There's only 2 kinds of people who can make that kind of money while being mediocre and having a substance problem. Kids of "connected" people who pull some strings, and members of Fleetwood Mac.

rambot · 2025-11-17T20:16:24-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
In a way, yes...

Because there are multiple channels by which "influence leveraging" can be carried out.

I know this to be the case because people were understandably suspicious when Don Jr. was using his dad's name to carve out some nice deals for himself.

One could argue that "letting it happen, because there may be a little something in it for me later" is corruption-by-proxy, wouldn't you agree?

As history would have it, Hunter Biden's entire adult life was holding outsized positions that were way out of his league and expertise. His Dad being a long time senator, then a VP, then a P, certainly isn't coincidental.

He got a high ranking position (Executive Vice President) within MBNA (a bank holding company in Delaware) while his Dad was a senator there... for those who remember, Joe used to be referred to as "The Senator from MBNA".

His Dad was taking him on Air Force 2 to close business deals in China.

Hunter ended up getting appointed to the Department of Commerce by his dad's buddy Bill Clinton. Joe had nothing to do with that?

And then of course there was the Burisma fiasco, where he was put on the board of an industry in which he had zero experience, in a country whose language he didn't speak.

His dad (and his dad's position) had nothing to do with that? People with severe substance abuse problems just "luck into" 8 figure board positions in overseas energy companies with zero experience in the sector all the time, right?

His dad was clearly "hooking up" him up?

There's only two options:
1) Joe was using his positions over the years to help his family make some money.
2) Hunter is the most over-achieving, luckiest cocaine addict in the history of the United States.

There's only 2 kinds of people who can make that kind of money while being mediocre and having a substance problem. Kids of "connected" people who pull some strings, and members of Fleetwood Mac.

Feom the little I've seen i can't say thr evidence of corruption from hunter was particularly convincing. Whereas it's just naked with the trumps.

To give trump family a blind pass to this after tearing hunter down smacks of "you're opinion means nothing". This is not your by rhe way

ThatRobGuy · 2025-11-17T20:51:53-0600

rambot said:
Feom the little I've seen i can't say thr evidence of corruption from hunter was particularly convincing. Whereas it's just naked with the trumps.

To give trump family a blind pass to this after tearing hunter down smacks of "you're opinion means nothing". This is not your by rhe way

I'm the same person that says that elected officials at a federal level should be prohibited from stock trading lol.

It's clearly an advantage of some short when congressional stock portfolios are seeing 10-20% gains on a bad year, and 30-40% on a good year (outperforming most private sector investors)

The Trump family being more brazen about it shouldn't be conflated with being "worse" than the others who've clearly done it.

That'd like saying that the guy who openly says "I sleep with other women besides my wife" (even though she's not cool with it) is somehow worse than the guy who's sleeping around behind his wife's back.

The infraction's similar, so why is trying to hide it considered morally superior than just being open with it? lol

Obviously the Trump kids are/were cashing in on Daddy's position and influence. In a way, I actually prefer the brazenness of it, at least I know who to not vote for.

Hence the reason I've never voted for Trump.

In a way, I feel like I got tricked into voting for Biden in 2020. It's a vote I regret.

I'm sure others feel the same.

Had that not occurred in 2020, and me and hundreds of thousands of people like me not been duped into voting for Biden, we would have stayed home, Trump would've won, that would've been his second term, and we'd be living in a Trump-free America right now.

rambot · 2025-11-17T21:42:21-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
I'm the same person that says that elected officials at a federal level should be prohibited from stock trading lol.

It's clearly an advantage of some short when congressional stock portfolios are seeing 10-20% gains on a bad year, and 30-40% on a good year (outperforming most private sector investors)

The Trump family being more brazen about it shouldn't be conflated with being "worse" than the others who've clearly done it.

I disagree 100%
Personal enrichment is already bad.
Attempting to influence foreign policy by accepting brides and enriching your family is more messed up and worse to me than someone profitting on a stock market..which I ALSO think should be prohibited.

ThatRobGuy said:
That'd like saying that the guy who openly says "I sleep with other women besides my wife" (even though she's not cool with it) is somehow worse than the guy who's sleeping around behind his wife's back.

The infraction's similar, so why is trying to hide it considered morally superior than just being open with it? lol

And what if the guy says 'I rape other women besides my wife"? Trump family accepting brides or inappropriate (guided) enrichment from foreign sources could VERY likely be more destructive to America than cheating on a stock market.

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