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The Schumer Shutdown

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Premiums have increased by 80%.
  1. From 2010 to 2023, the average premium for family coverage increased 80%, from just over $13,000 to nearly $24,000.
  2. Total healthcare costs for a family of four now exceed $30,000 per year—increasing from $18,000 per year when Obamacare was passed.

So to be clear, you think that you can lay the entirety of those increases at the feet of Obama and the ACA? Health care cost inflation was a thing before the ACA existed, and it will continue to be a thing even if the ACA were completely removed.

On the graph below, I see a straight line right through 2010. No major change in the slope whatsoever.

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So to be clear, you think that you can lay the entirety of those increases at the feet of Obama and the ACA? Health care cost inflation was a thing before the ACA existed, and it will continue to be a thing even if the ACA were completely removed.

On the graph below, I see a straight line right through 2010. No major change in the slope whatsoever.

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This is the problem with the ACA. It did NOT do what was promised. It was promised that it would bring down the costs and it didn't. You think the continuation of the rising cost was good? When we were told it would bring it down? Thats not a win, thats a total loss.
 
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This is the problem with the ACA. It did NOT do what was promised. It was promised that it would bring down the costs and it didn't. You think the continuation of the rising cost was good? When we were told it would bring it down? Thats not a win, thats a total loss.
How about that replacement that’s going to fix all this?
 
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I didn't say he coined the name only that he distanced himself because not one of his promises about the ACA came true

  1. You can keep you plan - wrong
  2. You can keep your doctor - Wrong
  3. Health insurance cost will go down - Wrong
Here is the truth:

  1. Premiums have increased by 80%.
  2. From 2010 to 2023, the average premium for family coverage increased 80%, from just over $13,000 to nearly $24,000.
  3. Total healthcare costs for a family of four now exceed $30,000 per year—increasing from $18,000 per year when Obamacare was passed.
  4. Deductibles have increased over 50% since Obamacare was implemented in 2013.
Remember this beauty?

Boston on October 30, 2013, President Obama promoted the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and emphasized its affordability. He stated that “for many Americans, health insurance will cost less than the cost of your cell phone bill or cable bill.”
The ACA has decreased costs for million of Americans. The job is simply incomplete.

Universal healthcare is the best system because it ensures that everyone, regardless of income, job status, or health history, can access essential medical care without facing financial ruin, leading to earlier treatment, fewer preventable deaths, and a healthier overall population. Countries with universal systems consistently achieve longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality, and lower per-capita costs than nations without it, because universal coverage emphasizes preventive care, cost control, and streamlined administration instead of expensive emergency-only treatment. It also strengthens the workforce and economy by keeping people healthier, reducing medical bankruptcy, and giving employers relief from rising insurance burdens. In short, universal healthcare delivers better health outcomes, more fairness, and greater economic efficiency than systems that tie care to ability to pay.

Every major country that uses universal healthcare, France, Germany, Canada, Japan etc. All receive healthcare at a fraction of the cost that we do, and they all have better health outcomes and in most, if not all cases, longer average lifespans.

Country - per capita healthcare cost, and whether or not they use universal healthcare:

United States~ $14,880 per person
No — the U.S. does not have universal health care coverage

Germany~ $8,000
Yes — universal, multi-payer system with statutory insurance.

Switzerland~ $8,000
Yes — mandatory private insurance for all residents.

Norway~ $9,300–10,000
Yes — tax-funded universal coverage.

France~ $6,900
Yes — universal health insurance plus complementary private insurance.

Canada~ $6,800–6,900
Yes — government-funded universal coverage for medically necessary services.

Australia~ $6,800 (2022)
Yes — Medicare system provides universal access.

United Kingdom~ $5,000–5,500 (2022) (OECD mid‑range)
Yes — National Health Service (NHS) provides universal care.

Japan~ $5,400–5,500 (2022)
Yes — universal coverage via mandatory statutory insurance.

Netherlands~ $7,300 (2022)
Yes — universal system, mostly via regulated private insurance.

Collectively it's much cheaper to have taxes fund a streamlined and efficient universal option, over us paying directly into expensive and disjointed private health insurers.

America has hundreds of independent insurers all negotiating their own prices, creating an administrative nightmare that jacks up costs on the public. And people aren't shopping around for the best deals because nobody knows what medical care costs, nor is anyone interested in finding out when they're in the middle of having a stroke.
 
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How about that replacement that’s going to fix all this?
I'm sure Schumer has one in mind since he shut the government down over it, and then his strategy failed. Now he'll come up with a better solution come February. You'll see!
 
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I'm sure Schumer has one in mind since he shut the government down over it, and then his strategy failed. Now he'll come up with a better solution come February. You'll see!
The repeal and replace mantra didn’t come from Schumer, so, how about that republican plan that would improve on the
ACA?
 
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How about that replacement that’s going to fix all this?
Thats a good point. I don't see one on the table from the Republicans or Democrats.

The point i was making was the Aca didnt actually fix anything and didn't do as promised and still is massively supported by subsidies and did not bring the cost of anything down. Its terrible, its costly and I think we were lied to about it.

But a different plan? Right now neither party has put one on the table as a serious alternative. But just because no one has doesnt mean Obamacare is a good plan.
 
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