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It is within a long list of claims by NASA who claim these images are real. Easy done.
What claim is there that this Apollo 16 image is real to begin with ?
Well, I don't remember whether I say that specific image back in the 1970s, but I am sure that such images taken from space craft were shown on television and in newspapers at the time. Maybe somebody here remembers seeing that particular one.
 
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It is within a long list of claims by NASA who claim these images are real. Easy done.
What claim is there that this Apollo 16 image is real to begin with ?
CGI did not exist in 1972. The Apollo 16 & 17 photos were released in 1972. What evidence do you have that they were faked?

NASA never claimed to 2012 composite "blue marble" picture was real. It was always known as a CGI generated image.
 
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It is within a long list of claims by NASA who claim these images are real. Easy done.
What claim is there that this Apollo 16 image is real to begin with ?
If it isn't real and it's not CGI because there were no computers then - what's the alternative?
As it's, apparently, "easily done"; show us.
 
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There are many photographs of the earth taken from the moon or near the moon. I remember them well. Earth and the Moon from Apollo 11

One of the things to consider is that the apex of the “dome” is always directly above you wherever you are on earth. If the earth was flat, the people in the southern hemisphere would see the dome closer to them than the people at the North Pole. This isn’t the case. Even in America the apex would be off by about 40 to 50 degrees. However, the apex of the “dome” is 90 degrees from the horizon.
 
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There are many photographs of the earth taken from the moon or near the moon. I remember them well. Earth and the Moon from Apollo 11

Even this image has been proved fake by Bart Sibrel.

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Even this image has been proved fake by Bart Sibrel.

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Another lie by @Apple Sky
Bart Sibrel did no such thing. If he claims he did then he is lying.
It is truly disturbing that you surround yourself with falsehood as that cannot possibly benefit your relationship with God and there has been a noticeable change for the worse in your posts over the last few weeks. I'm considering putting you on ignore and recommending that others do the same so that we do not unintentionally play a part in your downward spiral. Everyone has been extremely patient with you whereas you have lately been treating everyone with obvious disrespect. To treat your fellow Christians in that manner is not of God and has its source in another spirit that is unholy. It makes it quite clear that "flat earth" is a satanic deception.
I have not yet made up my mind about putting you on ignore but seeing the change in you since your husband passed is pushing me in that direction.
 
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Another lie by @Apple Sky
Bart Sibrel did no such thing. If he claims he did then he is lying.
It is truly disturbing that you surround yourself with falsehood as that cannot possibly benefit your relationship with God and there has been a noticeable change for the worse in your posts over the last few weeks. I'm considering putting you on ignore and recommending that others do the same so that we do not unintentionally play a part in your downward spiral. Everyone has been extremely patient with you whereas you have lately been treating everyone with obvious disrespect. To treat your fellow Christians in that manner is not of God and has its source in another spirit that is unholy. It makes it quite clear that "flat earth" is a satanic deception.
I have not yet made up my mind about putting you on ignore but seeing the change in you since your husband passed is pushing me in that direction.
Deception is usually a sin, unless to protect somebody from harm. Satan is the great deceiver, but human beings are able to deceive without Satan’s help. The question is who is doing the deceiving and why? Is Bart Sibrel intentionally deceiving or is he deceived?
 
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Is Bart Sibrel intentionally deceiving or is he deceived?

Bart Sibrel is not being deceived by anyone & he is no liar just as I am not. I have God with me, not Satan, how can anyone think otherwise ?
 
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It makes it quite clear that "flat earth" is a satanic deception.
No it is not, the satanic deception is the Globe.

I have not yet made up my mind about putting you on ignore but seeing the change in you since your husband passed is pushing me in that direction.

Well you do what you have to do, but you are wrong about me.
 
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Bart Sibrel is not being deceived by anyone & he is no liar just as I am not. I have God with me, not Satan, how can anyone think otherwise ?
You lied about me in post #1,266 and you have not retracted that lie. That’s not evidence of God being “with you”.
 
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Bart Sibrel is not being deceived by anyone & he is no liar just as I am not. I have God with me, not Satan, how can anyone think otherwise ?
There is a problem with conspiracy theories in that they vary to extremes. If you want to tell me that some of the images from the Apollo mission were faked, I would believe you. If you believe in UFOs, aliens, bigfoot, Champ, and others, I would say, “Maybe.” But you say that the earth is flat and America didn’t send people to the moon, I would have to draw a line of disbelief. The Soviet Union watched the whole Apollo mission, and it brought them shame that the Americans were there first. Don’t you think the Soviets would do all they could to prove America didn’t go to the moon? They would, but they couldn’t. The evidence was overwhelming. Every nation with a ham radio was listening to the astronauts, and every large telescope was watching the Apollo spacecraft pass between the earth and the moon. I wouldn’t call you or Sibrel a liar, but America went to the moon and the earth is a globe.
 
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You lied about me in post #1,266 and you have not retracted that lie. That’s not evidence of God being “with you”.

I didn't realize you mean't the blue marble.
 
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There is a problem with conspiracy theories in that they vary to extremes. If you want to tell me that some of the images from the Apollo mission were faked, I would believe you. If you believe in UFOs, aliens, bigfoot, Champ, and others, I would say, “Maybe.” But you say that the earth is flat and America didn’t send people to the moon, I would have to draw a line of disbelief. The Soviet Union watched the whole Apollo mission, and it brought them shame that the Americans were there first. Don’t you think the Soviets would do all they could to prove America didn’t go to the moon? They would, but they couldn’t. The evidence was overwhelming. Every nation with a ham radio was listening to the astronauts, and every large telescope was watching the Apollo spacecraft pass between the earth and the moon. I wouldn’t call you or Sibrel a liar, but America went to the moon and the earth is a globe.

Well we'll just have too agree too disagree.
 
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I didn't realize you mean't the blue marble.
There’s more than one “blue marble” picture. I said the one from Apollo 17 in 1972 is not CGI. It could never be because CGI didn’t exist then.

The composite one from 2012 is CGI but nobody ever claimed otherwise. I didn’t and NASA didn’t either.
 
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There’s more than one “blue marble” picture. I said the one from Apollo 17 in 1972 is not CGI. It could never be because CGI didn’t exist then.

So does this mean that have to agree that the image is real ?
 
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Even this image has been proved fake by Bart Sibrel.
Who's Bart Sibrel?
I'm guessing not a NASA scientist or you would have nothing to do with him.
 
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