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Arizona tribal member nearly deported after Iowa jail issues ICE detainer by mistake
The woman’s family had to scramble to prove she was Indigenous and shouldn’t be turned over to federal immigration authorities
A day before Arizona native Leticia Jacobo was scheduled to be released from an Iowa jail, her mom visited to verify pickup details with the staff. Ericka Burns was excited to drive her daughter home after spending a month apart and wanted to make sure Jacobo wasn’t forced to wait a minute longer than necessary.But jail staff told Burns that Jacobo wouldn’t be let go because she would be turned over to immigration agents — even though Jacobo is Native American.
The 24-year-old was born in Phoenix and is a member of Arizona’s Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community. She was booked into the Polk County Jail in Des Moines, Iowa, where she currently lives, in September for allegedly driving with a suspended license.
The ICE field office for the midwest region did not answer questions about whether they verify existing detainers for accuracy or what their processes are for ensuring Native Americans aren’t being detained.
[Aunt] Nunez told the Arizona Mirror she was skeptical that the mix-up was nothing more than a misunderstanding, and that discrimination wasn’t involved at least to some degree. She noted that Jacobo had her tribal identification with her, had been fingerprinted, had her Social Security number on file and has been booked into the same jail more than once.
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Only 16 of over 600 detained by ICE in Chicago area have criminal histories, records show
The government was required to provide the list in court as a judge prepares to potentially release most of those people by next Friday, because their arrests potentially violated the terms of a court order restricting warrantless arrests.Eric Balliet, a retired special agent with Homeland Security Investigations, worked for the department until last year after 25 years on the job, said the data regarding the ICE arrests erodes trust in the federal immigration crackdown in the Chicago area, in particular the Trump administration's repeated claims that they are targeting the "worst of the worst."
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MAGA Rages at Kristi Noem Saying Trump Admin Has ‘Sped Up’ Legal Immigration Process
Noem was quickly dragged by prominent MAGA media influencers. The Daily Wire’s Matt Walsh replied to a viral clip of her comments, “We do not want or need more people to become citizens.”Steve Bannon’s White House correspondent Natalie Winters hit back, “Not sure what is worse: this actually happening or the admin thinking this is a ‘win.’”
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Federal officials confirm officers have begun Charlotte immigration enforcement
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Federal officials confirm officers have begun Charlotte immigration enforcement
Federal officials have started a surge of immigration enforcement in Charlotte, North Carolina. Agents were seen making arrests on Saturday.
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US army veteran who received Purple Heart deported by ICE to Mexico
An army veteran and Purple Heart recipient who served two tours in Iraq was deported on Friday morning from an immigration detention facility in Florence, Arizona.Barco’s father was a political dissident in Cuba who spoke out against communism, forcing his family to flee to Venezuela in the 1980s. Four years after Barco was born, his family entered the US with asylum, and were later given lawful permanent resident status.
Barco, 39, served 15 years in prison for a felony conviction of attempted murder.
Barco was released on parole this January after serving 15 years due to good behavior. Upon release, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement detained Barco and took him to a detention center in Colorado.
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This doesn't support what was stated. They aren't saying they want no immigration. They want seriously controlled immigration.
I do too. Speeding up rhe process isn't what we want. We want a controlled immigration which may include severely limited immigration including a possibilility of no immigration until we get illegal immigration under control.
If 100,000 people apply for visas or citizenship or whatever and they are ALL good people with no records or no supporters of terrorism or terror regimes etc, doesn't mean we have to take them.
What we want is people we we really need. Ones that will be beneficial to this country with skills that we need. People that wont take jobs away from Americans but will supplement jobs where qualified Americans can't be found.
Its not anti-immigration where they don't want immigrants just cause they don't want immigrants.
Heavily and severely controlled immigration is what is needed.
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Don't care what the left thinks. He said he was going to do mass deportations. That's what we voted for.
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We don't need or want more citizens. We have enough right now. We especially don't need more citizens from 3rd world countries who are coming here and transforming areas into where they came from.
I think streamlining the process is good. I think cutting down on the paperwork is good. And better vetting is good as well. I'm concerned that its not good enough.
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I'm not concerned with what liberals say either, but I do care about what Jesus says.
“feed the hungry, give water to thirsty, give shelter to stranger, clothed the naked, look after the sick, visit those who are in prison. (Matt 25) , take care the widow ( Acts 6), give justice to the weak and fatherless ( Psalm 82) take care immigrants ( Deut 10:19 / Psalm 146), whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ ( Matt 25:40)
I fully support President Trump’s efforts to enhance border security. However, the situations occurring within the country, such as in cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, and now in Charlotte , are contrary to biblical teachings. Pope Leo is entirely correct in asserting that anyone who claims to be pro-life but condones inhumane treatment of others cannot truly be considered pro-life.
I'm glad the Catholic bishop spoke out against ICE actions. I'm curious how Protestant Christians will respond—will they remain silent about family separations, deporting parents while leaving children behind, or ICE agents arresting people at schools churches? American Protestantism has often aligned with the wrong side of history or remained silent. Many U.S. Protestant evangelicals were largely quiet during the civil rights, women's suffrage, and abolitionist movements. Will they remain silent today?
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Then you are anti-immigration. It’s that simple.
I say we do want and need more citizens. What makes your opinion more valid than mine, as an American?
I disagree. We need more.
We especially need more from the 3rd world as wealthy people from modern countries don’t have a need to seek a better life.
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Apparently we read the following differently:
Noem was quickly dragged by prominent MAGA media influencers. The Daily Wire’s Matt Walsh replied to a viral clip of her comments, “We do not want or need more people to become citizens.”
Although, I suppose, one could argue that Walsh isn't opposed to all immigration, just permanent immigrants - they could come and pick crops as long as they leave at the season's end?
I see, it's not that you want no immigration but that no immigration might be the best solution until some future possibly unattainable goal is met.
What a handsome straw man! I'm sure someone, somewhere, made that argument at some time....
Sounds perfect.
For some, it really is exactly that.
This is an ongoing discussion with ill-defined terms.
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If my understanding is correct, I believe I have read that you are an immigrant yourself, If this information is inaccurate, please accept my apologies.
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Even if he is, it may well be in his interest to close the borders to stop any more from coming in.
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Are they? Where does it say in scripture that a country should not enforce its border laws? Where does scripture say a country should let criminals go and there should be no consequences for violating a countries laws?
This has nothing to do with deporting people who are here illegally or crossing the border illegally.
This has to do with the church and those that belong to the church and what the church should be doing with its members. Its not a mandate that a one country shoild be responsible for another countries people.
This has nothing to do with a country enforcing its own laws. In fact justice would demand that the laws be enforced in a fair and impartial manner.
This is one of the most mis-used and misunderstood passages in scripture. At the time there were no border laws. Yet countries still had borders. In this particular passage the Hebrew word for the foreigner is rhe word "ger", which is a reference to someone who is not an Isreali, but a foreigner who has permission to be there. Those who are allowed to be there should be given the same courtesy the Israeli gets.
This is not a reference to those who come to the country without permission or those who are passing through.
Thos passage is not a condemnation of immigration or border laws. In fact the chapter talks about the Jews obtaining permission to be in Egypt which is another reference to borders.
Once again this is a reference to how we as believers should treat people in need as an individual. There is no command here for countries not have immigration law nor to have open borders nor does it
condemn nations who have and enforce border laws and remove people who have broken the countries.laws.
No where in scripture is there a command that governments should not have border laws nor enforce them. In fact Justice would demand they do enforce the laws they have.
I'm not the Bishops were out of line and are doing what many do. Misappropriation of the gospel. No where in the gospel does it teach that countries should not have immigration laws nor enforce them.
The family separation is a strawman meant to inflame emotions. Families.are separated all the time when a family member breaks the law. There arw many fathers, brothers ,sister, mother's who are in prison today who are separated from their families. For years. The difference is the families cannot go live with them. In the case of illegals, families certainly can go.be with the family member. In fact illegals are allowed to take their children with them if they want to. In prison today, mother's ir father's cannot bring the children with them.
Yet we dont see any emotional.outrage over that. Its emotional manipulation to satisfy a political belief. The belief being its okay to come and stay in America even if you are illegally here.
These Bishops are violating scripture and twisting it for political means.
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No I'm not. I am choosy who we are bringing in as citizens and I don't think we are right now. I'm good with immigration if its done right.
I don't know if your opinionnis more valid or not. Becauae I don't know what your opinion is except that you want more immigrants. That's too broad of a statement to be able for me to say whether it is a more valid than mine due to cogent reasons.
Why?
No we don't. Seeking a better life is not a valid reason to allow them in. We've seen that outcome and its not good.
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Homeland Security Missions Falter Amid Focus on Deportations
Under President Trump, an agency intended to keep Americans safe has diverted resources from combating child abuse, trafficking and terrorism
Homeland security agents investigating sexual crimes against children, for instance, have been redeployed to the immigrant crackdown for weeks at a time, hampering their pursuit of child predators.
A national security probe into the black market for Iranian oil sold to finance terrorism has been slowed down for months because of the shift to immigration work, allowing tanker ships and money to disappear.
And federal efforts to combat human smuggling and sex trafficking have languished with investigators reassigned to help staff deportation efforts.
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Even highly trained specialists have been pulled into immigration work, such as analysts who assist in money laundering and counterterrorism cases and agents who investigate the multibillion-dollar black market for looted antiquities, a source of income for organized crime and terrorist groups.
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Earlier this year, special agents at Homeland Security Investigations found online videos showing violent sexual abuse of an unidentified young child.
Trained to hunt down pedophiles who use the internet to distribute illegal imagery, the H.S.I. agents spent weeks analyzing the footage to try to identify the child and infiltrate the online networks that had shared and may have directed the abuse, according to a person with knowledge of the investigation.
But the agents working the case have since been asked to go out in the field and help arrest undocumented immigrants. The reassignment has hindered progress toward identifying and rescuing the child, said this person, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive investigation. The person said that the agents, no longer able to spend as much time undercover online, had lost contact with a key source they had cultivated over years in the online world of abusers.
The disruption of that case reflects a broader pattern, the Times investigation found.
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Under President Trump, an agency intended to keep Americans safe has diverted resources from combating child abuse, trafficking and terrorism
Homeland security agents investigating sexual crimes against children, for instance, have been redeployed to the immigrant crackdown for weeks at a time, hampering their pursuit of child predators.
A national security probe into the black market for Iranian oil sold to finance terrorism has been slowed down for months because of the shift to immigration work, allowing tanker ships and money to disappear.
And federal efforts to combat human smuggling and sex trafficking have languished with investigators reassigned to help staff deportation efforts.
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Even highly trained specialists have been pulled into immigration work, such as analysts who assist in money laundering and counterterrorism cases and agents who investigate the multibillion-dollar black market for looted antiquities, a source of income for organized crime and terrorist groups.
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Earlier this year, special agents at Homeland Security Investigations found online videos showing violent sexual abuse of an unidentified young child.
Trained to hunt down pedophiles who use the internet to distribute illegal imagery, the H.S.I. agents spent weeks analyzing the footage to try to identify the child and infiltrate the online networks that had shared and may have directed the abuse, according to a person with knowledge of the investigation.
But the agents working the case have since been asked to go out in the field and help arrest undocumented immigrants. The reassignment has hindered progress toward identifying and rescuing the child, said this person, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive investigation. The person said that the agents, no longer able to spend as much time undercover online, had lost contact with a key source they had cultivated over years in the online world of abusers.
The disruption of that case reflects a broader pattern, the Times investigation found.
More @ link https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/16/...e_code=1.2E8.sQ5u.SRSCkR2gU_x-&smid=url-share
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No we don't read it differently. As you know what is written in a quick blurb never does justice to the entirety of thought. Walsh's stance is far more nuanced than a sentence. Just like you don't just drop a single sentence as the final be all and end all of your thoughts on a subject. It's pretty crappy to read a single sentence and then claim well that covers everything someone thinks on a subject.
Heavily controlled immigration is the best possible solution. And look at you being all negative in believing we can't controll immigration.
You didn't answer the question. Do we have to take immigrants who are good people with no issues? Yes or no? Its not a difficult question.What a handsome straw man! I'm sure someone, somewhere, made that argument at some time....
It does doesn't it.
I haven’t seen that from 99% of the people on the right.
Yes that's true.
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911 Audio Shows South Shore Residents’ Panic During ICE Raid
CPD dispatch audio reveals Border Patrol also detained two U.S. citizens that night in Steelworkers Park.
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In another recording, a caller was incensed that their friend’s door had been battered in by federal agents. They seemed to imply that the apartment was not one of the ones agents were supposed to target that night.
“We just had a wrongful break-in by the FBI and the ICE people, and now my friend’s door won’t even lock,” they said. “They got the numbers of the apartments on his wrist, and they still kicked this door in, and that door will not lock.” In response to the dispatcher’s questions, the caller reiterated that the agent had the apartment numbers “on his wrist” and damaged the apartment door in a “wrongful break-in.”
The call adds to mounting evidence that agents had advance information on which apartments migrants were living in. Two weeks before the raid, teachers at a CPS school across the street from the building told the Weekly they’d seen ICE agents surveilling the area. Earlier this month, WBEZ and Sun-Times reporters found a map of the building in one of the raided apartments that labeled units as “vacant,” “tenant,” or “firearms.” Multiple journalists have observed codes taped on the doors of some of the apartments, but it’s unclear what they mean or when they were placed there.
Dramatic Chicago ICE raid touted as anti-terror win results in no criminal charges
A new investigation by ProPublica found that immigration raids hailed by the Trump administration as a major strike against terrorism did not live up to those claims. Dozens of Venezuelan migrants were detained in a September raid, with officials alleging they are members of the dangerous Tren...
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Pro Publica Interview
Ali Rogin:
And of those 37 individuals who were arrested, there were no criminal charges filed against them. Why is that? What did you find out about that?
Melissa Sanchez:
So, we spoke with federal — former federal prosecutors.
And what they have told us is that if the government had a good case, we would have seen charges filed in federal court, and we haven't seen any yet. So that suggests that maybe no charges are coming.
And kind of to add to that, we have gone to a lot of these men's immigration court hearings. We have gone to eight of them so far. And in not one of those hearings as a government lawyer made any reference to criminal cases or to gang membership.
So all of that makes it really difficult to believe that — believe what the government is saying about gang membership.
Ali Rogin:
There is tremendous video evidence showing this dramatic entrance into this complex. Did agents have warrants to forcibly enter the apartments that they did that night?
Melissa Sanchez:
That's a great question. I wish I could tell you that we knew the answer. The government won't tell us. We have found no evidence of warrants filed in federal court, although they could be under sealed. But we have asked the government, and they haven't answered. They said they have done everything according to the law.
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