OxyContin maker to plead guilty to federal criminal charges, pay $8 billion, and will close

iluvatar5150 said:

I didn't say they had access to the end-user; I said they lied to "people." The bulk of their marketing was to physicians, who are "people." Purdue lied to physicians and pushed physicians to use a lot of their product.

The Promotion and Marketing of OxyContin: Commercial Triumph, Public Health Tragedy



I don't know what your beef is, but patients are typically not qualified to make determinations about which medications are or are not appropriate for their conditions - especially when we're talking about medications that are relatively new to the market and at a time (late 90's-early 2000's) when Dr Google wasn't the fount of information it (sort of) is now.

If my doctor tells me something is safe and I don't have anything suggesting otherwise, I'm probably going to trust him. Maybe he's lazy; maybe he was conned by a family of billionaire fraudsters. Either way, it's not my fault if I get hooked because somebody upstream of me screwed up. The patients who innocently got hooked on this stuff (and there were a lot of them) were the least culpable in all of this. The Saklers, OTOH, knew they had a dangerous product, lied about its safety, and made billions of dollars pumping it into communities that had no possible legitimate need for those quantities.

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Are you kidding me? Network/cable TV is 24/7 pushing their drugs to the end users, with the specific objective that they will pester their doctors for this new wonder drug - and there are new ones every single week. There are several drug pusher ads every hour on almost every station. Why are drug companies even permitted to push to customers who cannot obtain them without a prescription? Two reasons: people will push their doctors with some nonsense from a commercial (that always shows happy, smiling people while reciting the parade of horribles that are the side effects) and Big Pharma bed partners, the media, appreciate the funds and keep quiet about drugs. That's why.

You are aware that physicians can obtain massive kickbacks for drug pushing, are you not? Exception is if Medicare or Medicaid are paying. Otherwise, it's free game.

Is it Legal for a Physician to Receive Payment for Prescribing a Drug?

https://health.usnews.com/health-ca...-doctors-influence-which-drugs-they-prescribe

If you place so much trust in physicians and their pure ethics, then you should trust that they are going to tell you if a drug is causing a lot of issues. Yet people have been taking oxy for a long time and no one did anything all along to stop it. Until now.

I can figure this out on my own, generally - and it sure wasn't hard with this one, after I had a surgery. It was miserably constipating. That's your body saying NO.

RestoreTheJoy said:

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You are aware that physicians can obtain massive kickbacks for drug pushing, are you not? Exception is if Medicare or Medicaid are paying. Otherwise, it's free game.
Is it Legal for a Physician to Receive Payment for Prescribing a Drug?

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Nonsense. In addition to federal laws, each state has it's own laws. That's what your link says - did you even read it? You can also look up exactly how much your doctor is receiving from pharmaceutical companies - and how it compares to industry averages. Here's the link:
https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov/
It looks like my family doctor got a free lunch 14 times from 9 different companies in 2019. That's all. Hardly massive kickbacks, was it?

With tools like the Open Payments, the industry has become much more (almost completely) open about it's relationships with doctors - and that's why companies that violate this, like Purdue Pharma, are being driven out of business. That's what this thread is about.

sesquiterpene said:

Nonsense. In addition to federal laws, each state has it's own laws. That's what your link says - did you even read it? You can also look up exactly how much your doctor is receiving from pharmaceutical companies - and how it compares to industry averages. Here's the link:
https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov/
It looks like my family doctor got a free lunch 14 times from 9 different companies in 2019. That's all. Hardly massive kickbacks, was it?

With tools like the Open Payments, the industry has become much more (almost completely) open about it's relationships with doctors - and that's why companies that violate this, like Purdue Pharma, are being driven out of business. That's what this thread is about.

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That link is included in my article. Perhaps you should read it.

RestoreTheJoy said:

That link is included in my article. Perhaps you should read it.

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I did, before I posted. Did you think it supported some point of yours?

RestoreTheJoy said:

No...Purdue didn't have access to the customer to "push them to use a lot". That's squarely on anyone who prescribed them - and on the user.

Don't tell me the user has no responsibility because he does.

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RestoreTheJoy said:

Are you kidding me? Network/cable TV is 24/7 pushing their drugs to the end users, with the specific objective that they will pester their doctors for this new wonder drug - and there are new ones every single week. There are several drug pusher ads every hour on almost every station. Why are drug companies even permitted to push to customers who cannot obtain them without a prescription? Two reasons: people will push their doctors with some nonsense from a commercial (that always shows happy, smiling people while reciting the parade of horribles that are the side effects) and Big Pharma bed partners, the media, appreciate the funds and keep quiet about drugs. That's why.

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lol... What point are you even arguing? First you defend Purdue by claiming that they didn't have access to the patient. Then when I point out that they were pushing the drugs primarily on doctors, you claim that they were pushing it on patients via tv ads (which I don't think they were, or at least not very much).

Rush Limbaugh is going to be so mad.

wing2000 said:

....isn't Purdue Pharma bankrupt?

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Just five years later, and the answer is.... almost?

Judge says he’ll approve opioid settlement with OxyContin maker Purdue and Sackler family​

The deal overseen by U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane would require members of the Sackler family who own the company to contribute up to $7 billion over 15 years.