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What does the flat earth theory have to do with Genesis 1 being literal or not? I guess Genesis 1:6 refers to the vault of heaven, but that is how the sky is described to this day. There is no reason that Moses would have described it differently unless God transported him into space. Imagine Moses standing in the night with all of the stars and moon around him. He is just saying that the beautiful sight in the sky that looks like a vault is the creation of our wonderful God. It is not even a metaphor, because he is describing what all can see in a way Moses and the people could understand. Moses and the Israelites were familiar with Ancient Egyptian cosmology with the earth being flat and the movement of the moon, sun and stars in the vault. However, you will notice that the gods and goddesses are not flying around doing what the Ancient Egyptian cosmology said they did, because God corrected that for the sake of the important revelation. Moses sticks to what can be easily seen to set the stage for Chapter 2. It is interesting to discuss, but it doesn’t threaten the validity of the Bible in any way. It is a literal description of creation from Moses’s perspective, which was proper for the situation.
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Is it literal or is it not ? As I have stated 'I'm not discussing Scripture on this thread.
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Enoch wrote about portals through which winds and waters pass.
Since I see the sun and moon as moving lights in the dome, could they also travel through their own channels? Perhaps the dome is honeycombed with circuits, tunnels, and other components?
Since I see the sun and moon as moving lights in the dome, could they also travel through their own channels? Perhaps the dome is honeycombed with circuits, tunnels, and other components?
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Here is an article that explains the vault above the earth in Genesis 1 as a vapor canopy. The people who wrote it take Genesis 1 very literally and believe the earth is a globe: The Pre-Flood Atmosphere | Genesis Park
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The Book of Enoch is not Scripture.
What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible? | GotQuestions.org
What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible? If the Book of Jude quotes from the book of Enoch, why isn’t the book of Enoch in the Bible?
www.gotquestions.org
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The Book of Enoch is not Scripture.
What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible? | GotQuestions.org
What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible? If the Book of Jude quotes from the book of Enoch, why isn’t the book of Enoch in the Bible?www.gotquestions.org
Doesn't mean it's no true as Enoch is mentioned in Scripture.
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No, you said you were not going to quote Scripture to try to prove a flat earth.
That is not the same as asking; "how should we read, study and understand Scripture?"
Is it literal?
Well God did create. He literally made trees, light, stars, animals etc and he made us in his image.
How did he do it? We don't know. We know that he spoke and things appeared, but not if trees, animals etc appeared fully grown.
If Genesis doesn't tell us that's because God didn't need us to know.
He hasn't forbidden us from knowing - which is why he gave some the ability to study and find out. But the Bible tells us everything we need to know about God, his nature, his desire for a relationship with us and the lengths he went to to make that possible, after we messed up badly. The OT tells that story and prophesies Jesus' coming; the NT tells us what happened when Jesus arrived.
The shape of the earth has nothing at all to do with God's nature, God's plan of salvation, God's Spirit or Jesus' birth, death and resurrection.
Otherwise, it would be spelled out - clearly and in detail - in Genesis.
God has given us an amazing gift of Jesus, salvation, eternal life and every spiritual blessing, Romans 6:23, Ephesians 1:3. That has all been recorded in the Bible.
Arguing about being able to tell the shape of the earth from the Bible is like failing to open an amazing present because you don't like the colour of the wrapping paper.
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If you read the link I gave you, or even listened to the video on the page, you would learn that even though the Book of Enoch is mentioned in Jude, it only means that particular quote is true, not the whole book. It is not considered as the Word of God. If it was, it would be in the Bible, but it isn't.
Are you now going to tell me that it is the Word of God but was kept out of the Bible by "they"?
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Well now you are implying that the Book of Enoch is the Word of God but was kept out of the Bible by the mysterious "they". If that's the case then the Bible could not be trusted as books would have been inserted or removed depending on what "they" wanted.
You are actually laying the groundwork for discrediting the Bible as it is.
For more reading outside of conspiracy theorists:
How and when was the canon of the Bible put together? | GotQuestions.org
How and when was the canon of the Bible put together? Who decided what books belonged in the Bible?
www.gotquestions.org
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