Profane to Divine: Does God Drag You Through the Church Doors—or Do You Drag Your Feet?

SabbathBlessings · 2025-11-10T04:07:51-0600

bob121 said:
Hope you had a great day, thank you for your lengthy reply, happy to keep the iron sharp, Sister

Thank you and blessings!

bob121 said:
You’ve asked for one verse in which Jesus or an inspired writer says, “The weekly Sabbath assembly is now transferred to the first day.”
Honest answer: that sentence does not exist.
But the absence cuts both ways.
After Calvary there is no inspired command, example, or warning that continues the seventh-day convocation for the body of Christ.
What we do have, in the only inspired history we possess, is:

Resurrection appearances deliberately clustered on “the first day of the week” (Jn 20:1, 19, 26

The only post-Pentecost weekday service Luke records is first-day (Acts 20:7).

The only repeated weekly duty Paul singles out is first-day (1 Cor 16:2).

By Revelation the day already bears the theological title “the Lord’s Day” (1:10).

This does not seem like you are interested in having an honest discussion about these verses I asked where does the Scripture say in any of these verses that the Sabbath commandment ended and was now transferred to the first day, everything God blessed and sanctified by the power of God was now given to the first day a day God made for work and labors Exo20:9. You just keep repeating the same verses that still do not say this. I did briefly address these verses but we can look at them deeper if you want, but only God can reverse His blessing Num23:20 only God can sanctify a day and us (both connected to the Sabbath) , so we really need to hear these words plainly to make an honest change in God’s Holy Word.

Also we cannot honestly use Rev1:10 as day one when the Scriptures clearly does not say or support this. God personally spoke what His holy day is and said it is the seventh day, the Sabbath Exo20:10 Isa 58:18 , it came out of the mouth of God Jesus told us to live by Mat4:4 so we do not need to guess God’s holy day, He said so plainly, the Sabbath is the Holy Day of the Lord Isa58:13, meaning there is only one, that Jesus who is God is Lord of the Sabbath day, not the first day. When God speaks, He means what He says, the issue is man thinks they know better, when we are the creation and should be His servant Isa56:6

bob121 said:
Silence on the other side is just as real:

No post-Cross epistle tells Gentile churches, “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.”

No council (Acts 15) imposes Sabbath-keeping on converts.

The God of the Universe was not silent why God wrote His laws from tables of stone (only the Ten Commandments) to tables of the heart 2Cor2:3 Heb8:10. God wrote His laws in the hearts and minds of the New Covenant believers, God already defined His laws in His written and spoken Testimony. Exo31:18 Deut 4:13 Paul came after the covenant was ratified. He can’t change God’s commandments, he is not God, he himself says he is a servant of God. That said it clearly shows the Sabbath did not end in the NC by words of Jesus and the apotles and by actions. I can post lots of reference and the Gentiles were keeping every Sabbath with the Jews and apostles Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 and in Acts 15:21 clearly showing the Sabbath was kept reading the Scriptures in church, in every town, throughout generations, so its weird people use Acts 15 against the Sabbath when it states clearly the Sabbath was being kept. Is that not New Covenant? This was decades after the Cross. Just as Jesus indicated His faithful would be doing Mat24:20 Isa56:6-7

bob121 said:
No prophecy says the weekly Sabbath will be the end-time test of loyalty (Rev 14:7 quotes creation, not the Decalogue calendar).

It’s almost an exact quote of the 4th commandment Exo20:11 which reveals the God we are to worship in the first three commandments.

bob121 said:
So the discussion must move from “Produce one transfer verse” (none exists) to “Which trajectory does the Spirit highlight in the only inspired record we have?”
I’m willing to walk through Hebrews 4, Colossians 2, Isaiah 66—wherever the text takes us—provided we let all the silences speak as well as the promises.
Ready when you are

We can’t move forward if you do not address what has already been addressed. The resurrection, Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2 do not say anything about a change to one of God’s commandments. God already spoke clearly on this matter Psa89:34 Mat5:18-30 Jesus certainly never told one soul about a change. He is Lord of the Sabbath and the Sabbath comes with the power of His blessing and sanctification, Sunday comes by the power of man Dan7:25, why you will not find one thus saith the Lord to support this theory. It’s a man-made tradition, that sadly competes with what the Lord of the Sabbath said so plainly about His Sabbath. He changes not, we just need to get back to what God says, there is no one greater. It’s why we have such a huge salvation warning about Pauls writing, because sadly people use it against the God of the universe, when its not at all what Paul is saying if looking at the context and reconciling it with the rest of God’s Word.

Regarding Heb 4, Col2 Isa66 I am happy to go over any one of these verses. You can pick and let me know.

I hope this can be fruitful for us both.

God bless.

Hawkins · 2025-11-10T12:15:45-0600

More often the one fold of the meanings of Church has been overlooked.
The Kingdom in the midst of us is an intangible kingdom formed by Christians. It's about the pens of sheep Jesus asked to take care of. At the same time, preaching the Gospel is every Christian's duty, as a citizen of the kingdom. Preaching the gospel represents love as well. It's for love of men that we preach. It's for love of God that we preach as we know that God cares.

As an individual, we don't go to remote regions to preach the gospel, we don't go to tribes in Africa to preach the gospel. We have to reply on Church to do this, we as individuals however need to pull resources, donate to a church for it to do so. Church from this perspective, is a McDonald frachise established and it extended to all corners of earth. A church gathers resources and money from the its congregations in order to expand and to preach the gospel to remote regions such as the tribes in Africa.

Every Christian shall preach the gospel, as it's for the love men and the love of God.
Every Christian shall attend church for the same reason, it's for the love of God and men.

Mcdonald is to sell burgers, Church is to save souls. Should I say it's God's business that we should participate.

bob121 · 2025-11-10T14:24:48-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Thank you and blessings!

This does not seem like you are interested in having an honest discussion about these verses I asked where does the Scripture say in any of these verses that the Sabbath commandment ended and was now transferred to the first day, everything God blessed and sanctified by the power of God was now given to the first day a day God made for work and labors Exo20:9. You just keep repeating the same verses that still do not say this. I did briefly address these verses but we can look at them deeper if you want, but only God can reverse His blessing Num23:20 only God can sanctify a day and us (both connected to the Sabbath) , so we really need to hear these words plainly to make an honest change in God’s Holy Word.

Also we cannot honestly use Rev1:10 as day one when the Scriptures clearly does not say or support this. God personally spoke what His holy day is and said it is the seventh day, the Sabbath Exo20:10 Isa 58:18 , it came out of the mouth of God Jesus told us to live by Mat4:4 so we do not need to guess God’s holy day, He said so plainly, the Sabbath is the Holy Day of the Lord Isa58:13, meaning there is only one, that Jesus who is God is Lord of the Sabbath day, not the first day. When God speaks, He means what He says, the issue is man thinks they know better, when we are the creation and should be His servant Isa56:6

The God of the Universe was not silent why God wrote His laws from tables of stone (only the Ten Commandments) to tables of the heart 2Cor2:3 Heb8:10. God wrote His laws in the hearts and minds of the New Covenant believers, God already defined His laws in His written and spoken Testimony. Exo31:18 Deut 4:13 Paul came after the covenant was ratified. He can’t change God’s commandments, he is not God, he himself says he is a servant of God. That said it clearly shows the Sabbath did not end in the NC by words of Jesus and the apotles and by actions. I can post lots of reference and the Gentiles were keeping every Sabbath with the Jews and apostles Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 and in Acts 15:21 clearly showing the Sabbath was kept reading the Scriptures in church, in every town, throughout generations, so its weird people use Acts 15 against the Sabbath when it states clearly the Sabbath was being kept. Is that not New Covenant? This was decades after the Cross. Just as Jesus indicated His faithful would be doing Mat24:20 Isa56:6-7

It’s almost an exact quote of the 4th commandment Exo20:11 which reveals the God we are to worship in the first three commandments.

We can’t move forward if you do not address what has already been addressed. The resurrection, Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2 do not say anything about a change to one of God’s commandments. God already spoke clearly on this matter Psa89:34 Mat5:18-30 Jesus certainly never told one soul about a change. He is Lord of the Sabbath and the Sabbath comes with the power of His blessing and sanctification, Sunday comes by the power of man Dan7:25, why you will not find one thus saith the Lord to support this theory. It’s a man-made tradition, that sadly competes with what the Lord of the Sabbath said so plainly about His Sabbath. He changes not, we just need to get back to what God says, there is no one greater. It’s why we have such a huge salvation warning about Pauls writing, because sadly people use it against the God of the universe, when its not at all what Paul is saying if looking at the context and reconciling it with the rest of God’s Word.

Regarding Heb 4, Col2 Isa66 I am happy to go over any one of these verses. You can pick and let me know.

I hope this can be fruitful for us both.

God bless.

Thank you for the detailed reply, Sister. Grace to you. I’m not dodging—my very first sentence conceded the transfer verse isn’t there.
Honesty means letting both silences speak: no “move the day” verse, and no “keep the Sabbath” verse to the church. The difference is which silence the Spirit’s narrative trajectory supports. I’ve shown mine; if you believe Heb 4 (or any text) commands the church to assemble on Saturday, quote the clause and we’ll look at it together. Have a great day/night. God bless.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-11-10T14:56:25-0600

bob121 said:
Thank you for the detailed reply, Sister. Grace to you. I’m not dodging—my very first sentence conceded the transfer verse isn’t there.
Honesty means letting both silences speak: no “move the day” verse, and no “keep the Sabbath” verse to the church. The difference is which silence the Spirit’s narrative trajectory supports. I’ve shown mine; if you believe Heb 4 (or any text) commands the church to assemble on Saturday, quote the clause and we’ll look at it together. Have a great day/night. God bless.

Thank you for conceding that there is not a verse that says there is a transfer from Sabbath to Sunday. Praise God, I agree.

But there is not silence on the Sabbath, its all throughout the entire word of God. From the beginning Exo20:11 to the end Isa66:22-23 and everywhere in between.

But lets look at Hebrews 4 for example.

There are two different rests being referred to in this passage, not one, and we can see this plainly in verse 10.

But lets start with this verse

Heb 4: 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Where was the "He has spoken" in a certain place of the seventh day in this way referring to?

Only the 4th commandment.

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I am not going to go through the other verses in this passage because it speaks of the rest we enter through faith, which is different than the Sabbath rest, which God said is the seventh day, why He spoke this way of the seventh day.

I can go through the other verses later if you want and show by the original Greek word its a different rest than the Sabbath-rest or commandment.

Verse 10 really shows these two different rests...

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also (so those who enter His rest do something in addition- ALSO) ceased from his works as God did from His.

When did God cease from His works- we do not need to guess because the Scriptures literally tells us in this passage

Heb4:4 “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works which is a quote from the 4th commandment Exo20:11 and Creation when the Sabbath started Gen2:1-3

So those who have entered His rest ALSO ceased from their works as God did on the seventh day, which the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord they God. Exo20:10

Why if we look at verse 9....the rest in this verse literally means- keeping the Sabbath

Heb4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

And if we go to the next verse...

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience

Which sounds like a commandment to me. The Sabbath commandment never ended, it was transferred from tables of stone to tablets of the heart Heb8:10 2Cor3:3, just like the rest of God's commandments and Testimony Deut4:13 Exo31:18 why the Sabbath is being kept faithfully by everyone we are told to follow. The whole Bible is about the testimony of God through His prophets and disciples. John5:39 Out of all the people who testify of God who would have the greatest testimony man or God? I hope you say God Exo 31:18 Deut4:13. Why the entire Bible hangs on these two commandments (the greatest commandments summed up by God's law Rom13:9 Deut6:5 after repeating Deut 5) which show us how to love God, how to love man interweaved all throughout the entire Bible.

Let me know if this makes sense. I appreciate your openness to listen.

God bless!

bob121 · 2025-11-11T01:02:55-0600

Just so you know, Sister, I opened this thread hoping to hear how sinners feel the weekly threshold from the world’s noise into God’s sanctuary—stories, struggles, small victories.
Instead we’ve cycled through the same Hebrews-4 talking-points that every SDA training manual prints.
I’m content to let the conversation rest there.

For the record: my hope is not in calendar-keeping but in Christ’s finished work; the Lord’s Day is the gate He opens, not the merit I offer.

I could never keep things perfectly to try and prove I am in.
Faith is the key the Holy Spirit gives, and that same Spirit holds the key for me, because such a task can only be in God’s hands.

Got to be very careful with too many rules—always been an issue with humans.
I am more than happy to enjoy the peace that Christ gives to those around me and myself: to step into a church, hear the voices sing “oh praise Him…,” then hear the Shepherd speak “oh praise Him…,” and depart into the week with love for our Lord God—not because we earned His favor, but because we love Him as Saviour and God.

May you know that same rest, and may His name be praised by all who cross from profane time into His holy assembly—whether on Saturday, Sunday, or finally in the eternal eighth day.
Grace to you.

Have a great day/night

Bye for now.

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