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The hatred is amazing
I actually couldnt stand him from way back before he entered politics, back when he was a Dem. Its not political. He's always been a shouty bully - and and I dont like that.

But it has gotten a little more intense as we've come to understand his corruption and low character in greater detail.
 
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The hatred is amamazing.
Bringing up events is hatred? Huh.

I mean I know tonnes of people who've swindled. Just some other normal guys. Average guys.
 
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I actually couldnt stand him from way back before he entered politics, back when he was a Dem. Its not political. He's always been a shouty bully - and and I dont like that.

But it has gotten a little more intense as we've come to understand his corruption and low character in greater detail.
100% ditto.


I fail to see what admirable traits he has. I see no fruits of the spirit in him.
 
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Doesn't bother me
You seem bothered that people don't like him. I can't understand why. He is objectively unlikable especially to people like me who are on the receiving end of his anger.
 
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You seem bothered that people don't like him. I can't understand why. He is objectively unlikable especially to people like me who are on the receiving end of his anger.
I'm not bothered, this is a forum, we talk about things like this.
Hatred for the man seems off the charts and some of you couldn't give him credit if he cured cancer
 
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I'm not bothered, this is a forum, we talk about things like this.
Hatred for the man seems off the charts and some of you couldn't give him credit if he cured cancer
You should have seen the way people talked about Obama on here. Or Biden. Or Harris. Hatred.

He's not working on curing cancer. If he was, I'd give him credit for trying.

Everything he's doing is working on enriching himself and his friends while consolidating power into the presidency to lock the country into an indefinite right wing rule against the interests of Americans who think and believe like I do. He's made himself omnipresent in our lives in ways no other president has. Again, I can't understand what you like about someone like that. It's only because his policy of hatred isn't directed at you at the moment but at the people you don't know and don't like.
 
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You should have seen the way people talked about Obama on here. Or Biden. Or Harris. Hatred.

He's not working on curing cancer. If he was, I'd give him credit for trying.

Everything he's doing is working on enriching himself and his friends while consolidating power into the presidency to lock the country into an indefinite right wing rule against the interests of Americans who think and believe like I do. He's made himself omnipresent in our lives in ways no other president has. Again, I can't understand what you like about someone like that. It's only because his policy of hatred isn't directed at you at the moment but at the people you don't know and don't like.
You don't know who I like and don't like. I've probably met more illegal immigrants than you have.
I didn't even vote for Trump. I couldn’t after the way he acted after the 2020 election.
But the alternative was worse.
 
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That's an equivalent of $400 million in TODAY'S dollars.
He didn't receive but about a fourth of that.
So get your calculator out again
Yeah, today's dollars to today's dollars. It's just 17.5x. Mine is significantly better than that. And making money was all he was trying to do.
 
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Yeah, today's dollars to today's dollars. It's just 17.5x. Mine is significantly better than that. And making money was all he was trying to do.
No, it's 70x. He started with about $100 million. He didn't have 2025 dollars in 1982
The way you're comparing it you would have to figure what $7 billion would be worth in 2095 dollars
 
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You should have seen the way people talked about Obama on here. Or Biden. Or Harris. Hatred.

He's not working on curing cancer. If he was, I'd give him credit for trying.

Everything he's doing is working on enriching himself and his friends while consolidating power into the presidency to lock the country into an indefinite right wing rule against the interests of Americans who think and believe like I do. He's made himself omnipresent in our lives in ways no other president has. Again, I can't understand what you like about someone like that. It's only because his policy of hatred isn't directed at you at the moment but at the people you don't know and don't like.
"...the monster who will come for us all soon enough." -- Mon Mothma
 
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"...the monster who will come for us all soon enough." -- Mon Mothma
I sincerely hope that someone will come along in 2028 that will focus on the issues and solutions to them, who will not divide the country, and not hate or be hated.
We need a uniter.
We don't need more of the same
 
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I sincerely hope that someone will come along in 2028 that will focus on the issues and solutions to them, who will not divide the country, and not hate or be hated.
We need a uniter.
We don't need more of the same
That would have to be a rather committed and idealistic person. Division sells because people are buying it.
 
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That would have to be a rather committed and idealistic person. Division sells because people are buying it.
It’s become almost an even split. Arnold Schwarzenneger said that the Democrats want to win and the Republicans want to win and what needs to happen is for the people to win
 
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No, it's 70x. He started with about $100 million. He didn't have 2025 dollars in 1982
The way you're comparing it you would have to figure what $7 billion would be worth in 2095 dollars
You're not right. You gave your figures in today's terms: 'That's an equivalent of $400 million in TODAY'S dollars.' Your emphasis. So you compare it to what he has today. Even if it was $100m when he started then he's increased by 70x. I still beat him. And I haven't had any companies go bust and I paid all my taxes and haven't been charged and convicted for cheating on my income.
 
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You're not right. You gave your figures in today's terms: 'That's an equivalent of $400 million in TODAY'S dollars.' Your emphasis. So you compare it to what he has today. Even if it was $100m when he started then he's increased by 70x. I still beat him. And I haven't had any companies go bust and I paid all my taxes and haven't been charged and convicted for cheating on my income.
Okay he’s never done anything, all his buildings were built by someone else, he’s a terrible businessman but he’s worth $7 billion.
He’s also a terrible politician but he’s been elected president twice and beat the best the Democrats had to offer. He seems to be pretty successful for someone who is such a failure
Must feel pretty bad losing to such a bad candidate who is often equated with a German leader the rules forbid me from mentioning
 
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Okay he’s never done anything, all his buildings were built by someone else, he’s a terrible businessman but he’s worth $7 billion.
People who lose money on casinos are very bad businessmen.
He’s also a terrible politician but he’s been elected president twice and beat the best the Democrats had to offer.
Did someone say he's a bad politician? He is, as you said, by definition a good politician. But as the leader of your country? He's appalling. And likewise his character.
 
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People who lose money on casinos are very bad businessmen.

Did someone say he's a bad politician? He is, as you said, by definition a good politician. But as the leader of your country? He's appalling. And likewise his character.
People lose money on all kinds of endeavors. The important thing is to keep trying. Most successful people have failed several times in their lives.
As the leader of the country, I don’t have a problem with how he did his first term.
His second term is yet to be determined.
His character? Certainly not the best. He still hasn’t learned when he should keep his mouth shut either.
But I will take him over Biden, Harris or Bernie any day
BTW why has everyone stopped bashing Elon Musk these days? It wasn’t long ago we were hearing about what a terrible businessman he was and how many of his rockets failed

Tesla shareholders approve Elon Musk’s $1 trillion pay package​

 
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People lose money on all kinds of endeavors. The important thing is to keep trying.
The important thing to remember is that a businessman who fails in a dozen separate business ventures is showing that he is a very bad business man.
As the leader of the country, I don’t have a problem with how he did his first term.
His second term is yet to be determined.
Oh, good grief...
His character? Certainly not the best.
It's not possible to excuse the things he's said and done. I'd find it exceptionally difficult to do so even if he genuinely repented for his faults. I would try. But you and I both know that he's psychologically incapable of doing that.
 
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The important thing to remember is that a businessman who fails in a dozen separate business ventures is showing that he is a very bad business man.

Oh, good grief...

It's not possible to excuse the things he's said and done. I'd find it exceptionally difficult to do so even if he genuinely repented for his faults. I would try. But you and I both know that he's psychologically incapable of doing that.
Yeah, Elon Musk is a terrible businessman too He’s only set to be the first trillionaire
 
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Yeah, Elon Musk is a terrible businessman too He’s only set to be the first trillionaire
Why bring him up? He's an awful human being but a brilliant businessman. How is that remotely relevant to Trump?
 
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