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ViaCrucis said:
The claim is that Democrats want to extend eligibility of programs to undocumented immigrants. That is a lie.

If you ask me if I think that a person, regardless of who they are, deserves something as basic as healthcare, especially life-saving healthcare. Then of course I do.

Democrats may not want to extend these programs to undocumented immigrants.

My personal view is that healthcare is a basic human right, and in the wealthiest country in the world that right should exist for everyone; not just citizens and legal residents, but even undocumented immigrants. If a person is here illegally, they should receive life-saving treatment; and the legality of their status can be addressed later, and through proper procedure they can either remain here legally or be deported back to their country of origin.

That is humane, just, and lawful.

The opposite of what is going on right now and how things are in America. Where the conditions are inhumane, unjust, and unlawful.

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But do you then agree that the US Government should be allowed to secure its borders more strictly so there are less illegal aliens? I'm with you on every person in the US (legal or illegal) should get access to affordable healthcare but I do have a problem with allowing thousands upon thousands illegal aliens into the country on a yearly basis.
 
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BPPLEE said:
Then people should come here lawfully
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And if they don't, we deny their human rights and dignity?

Do mothers trying to feed her children who didn't come here legally, or whose visas expired deserve to be beaten by masked thugs in front of her child in the middle of the street?

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Hvizsgyak said:
But do you then agree that the US Government should be allowed to secure its borders more strictly so there are less illegal aliens? I'm with you on every person in the US (legal or illegal) should get access to affordable healthcare but I do have a problem with allowing thousands upon thousands illegal aliens into the country on a yearly basis.
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Tighten up the borders. I don't think everyone should come here--there should be vetting, through legal channels of immigration.

If someone comes here illegally, they should be afforded a chance to rectify that by seeking legal residence; if they won't then they should be deported.

The point is that this should be done through legal (Constitutional) means, it should be humane, and it should be just. Treating undocumented immigrants as sub-human is morally evil. It doesn't matter that coming here illegally or over-staying is going on, all human beings deserve the most basic and fundamental treatment of dignity. There are fundamental human rights that need to be honored.

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ViaCrucis said:
And if they don't, we deny their human rights and dignity?

Do mothers trying to feed her children who didn't come here legally, or whose visas expired deserve to be beaten by masked thugs in front of her child in the middle of the street?

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Oh the drama
 
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Gregory Thompson said:
Just for those not living in the US, such as myself: How does the government get shut down?
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That’s a great question, I’m just curious if whether or not my taxes are shutdown as well? I mean I shouldn’t be paying for services that are put on halt.
 
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BPPLEE said:
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Most Americans want the ACA subsidies to be extended. Hence, why Democrats are winning in polls across the nation. You can't take people hostage if they're the ones voting for the Democrats to halt the CR.
 
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Job 33:6 said:
Most Americans want the ACA subsidies to be extended. Hence, why Democrats are winning in polls across the nation. You can't take people hostage if they're the ones voting for the Democrats to halt the CR.
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Neither Party Dominates in Favorability or Trust

Americans rate the Republican and Democratic parties similarly, but their reasons for liking or disliking each party vary greatly.
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BPPLEE said:
news.gallup.com

Neither Party Dominates in Favorability or Trust

Americans rate the Republican and Democratic parties similarly, but their reasons for liking or disliking each party vary greatly.
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More in U.S. See Health Coverage as Government Responsibility

Americans' agreement that the federal government must ensure all Americans have healthcare coverage now exceeds 60%, after declining to as low as 42% during the years when the Affordable Care Act was being debated and implemented.
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Lets think about this. Why would a shutdown result in Democrats victories if Democrats were holding voters hostage?

Oh I know! Because people want the ACA subsidies.

You can't take people hostage if the people are voting for you so that you will block the CR.

Of the top 10 countries in the world with the most affordable and high quality health insurance, all of them have government subsidized and mostly universal healthcare.

And until the Republican party can present its own model to compete with Obamacare, they won't be able to win the people on this topic.
 
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