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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • No

    Votes: 24 85.7%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 3.6%

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that was not a matter of accusing anyone of anything.

Rather I am pointing to the weakness of the argument that says "if I don't care about one of the Ten Commandments then that must be ok since I don't care about it".

The idea leads to "Whatever I care about must be the reals objective standard, not what God's Word says". Jesus Hims undercuts that kind of argument by pointing out that "people will feel like destroying the saints", just going by feelings is not sound measure of right vs wrong.

That would be true for all of us.
Thing is, scripture supports no sabbath keeping for christians.
Also like i said the Holy spirit would get offended if you are sinning seriously.
"Nobody judge you about sabbaths"
"Some consider some days all the same, everyone should be convinced in their own mind"
"Council of Jerusalem" What of the law.
"Did you receive the spirit by obeying the law, or by hearing with faith?"

You would think that instead of saying things like this, the NT should of have expicit command to keep the sabbath if you were to sin by not keeping it, it does not, on the contrary.
 
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No one is under the law, unless they break the law.
Yes, the law is for the sinner, not the righteous. Once one understands that Scripture opens up a bit more.
 
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Nah. You can’t just isolate the definition you like.


σάββατον sábbaton, sab'-bat-on; of Hebrew origin (H7676); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:—sabbath (day), week.
Definitions? No my friend, context, grammar and syntax. A Sabbath is a day of repose by definition.
It looks like you cited Strongs. That is nice. But in respect to studying the Greek it is so much more involved than a definition.

Be that what it is, There was the weekly Sabbath of the Decalogue and the sabbaths to which were mandated for the festivals and Holy days. The context to which the word sabbath is used shows us which sabbath is being spoken of.

Passover, the Day of Atonement and what not all had sabbaths that were separate from the Sabbath of the Decalogue. They were instituted because of our sin. The Sabbath as you know was made for man on the Seventh Day of creation as the commandment states and Scripture affirms

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you know that the certificate of debt consisting of decrees being canceled is the law, right?

“having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”
Of decrees is a bad translation. As is, the translation "of ordinances" as seen in the KJV which I use. The Greek word translated decrees in the translation you are using is in the Dative case not the Genitive. In English, this relation is expressed by the words like. by or to not of. The Genitive case is that of possession. If the case was in the Genitive, then we would use the word "of "or something similar..

Also, how does verse 14 help your argument,
The Body of sin has been separated from us, and we have been forgiven all trespasses.

Therefore the handwriting to the decrees or as your translation states, certificate of indebt to the decrees has been blotted out.

These are they which dealt with our sin. The judgements, ceremonies in the Temple and holy days, like Passover and the Day of atonement and what not. These are they which have been blotted out. They are not needed anymore because we have been forgiven and the Temple and it's services have been eliminated.

These are they which were of the handwriting to the decrees. Mind you not the decrees themselves, but those which were by or to the decrees. Those which were because of our sin, not those which tell us what our sin is. For by the Law is the knowledge of sin. And if the Law is used righteously, it is for the sinner as God says in Romans and Timothy

The context of verse 14 is connected to verse 16 by the word "and' in verse 15, and the word "therefore" in verse 16.
As you know these words connect what is about to be said to what was previously stated. So with that understood, these meat and drink, holydays, new moon and sabbath days are they which were of the handwritings to the ordinances, The Book of the Law. Not the Ten Commandment and the Laws and statutes that showed us our sin.



Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
 
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Definitions? No my friend, context, grammar and syntax. A Sabbath is a day of repose by definition.
It looks like you cited Strongs. That is nice. But in respect to studying the Greek it is so much more involved than a definition.
They quote the figurative meaning from strongs, not the literal word for word meaning.

1. a "sabbatism"
2. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven)

Literal translation
sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning:
a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

On their defense, Biblehub recently removed Strongs literal meaning from their website and just put sabbatisim, they still have it word by word in the Greek, but its hard to find, it used to be listed before the figurative meaning but recently removed the literal translation all together (strange huh). Everyone knows we go by the literal meaning so removing it just shows the spiritual war we are are in. There is a power out there that doesn’t want us to keep God’s Sabbath commandment, how else is he going to deceive the whole world if not re-defining thing that God already defined plainly. If one were to look at Hebrews 4 and research all the Greek words as well as the references to the other OT passages would know the Sabbath commandment was not removed in this passage but is very much kept for those who have also entered Christ rests Heb4:4,10. Man (like Biblehub) trying to remove the literal meaning of keeping God’s Sabbath, we still would not be deceived if we placed what God says above all others.

God bless and Happy Sabbath!
 
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They quote the figurative meaning from strongs, not the literal word for word meaning.

1. a "sabbatism"
2. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven)

Literal translation
sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning:
a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

On their defense, Biblehub recently removed Strongs literal meaning from their website and just put sabbatisim, they still have it word by word in the Greek, but its hard to find, it used to be listed before the figurative meaning but recently removed the literal translation. Everyone knows we go by the literal meaning so removing it just shows the spiritual war we are are in. There is a power out there that doesn’t want us to keep God’s Sabbath commandment. If one were to look at Hebrews 4 and research all the Greek words as well as the references to the other OT passages would know the Sabbath commandment was not removed in this passage but is very much kept for those who have also entered Christ rests Heb4,10. Man trying to remove the literal meaning of keeping God’s Sabbath, we still would not be deceived if we placed what God says above all others.

God bless and Happy Sabbath!
Teaching requires discernment. Both in respect to God's Word are Spiritual gifts. To many teach and though they might be His, are not of His Spirit in respect to this. Hence through the ages we have over a thousand denominations professing theirs is the way or any way will do.

Thanks for the post and the salutation! It reminds me that there is a post to me in regard to Hebrews four that needs addressed somewhere. I must find it, and try to put an end to this tripe.
May the Lord continue to bless us all in all his Way, Jesus Christ.
 
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Teaching requires discernment. Both in respect to God's Word are Spiritual gifts. To many teach and though they might be His, are not of His Spirit in respect to this. Hence through the ages we have over a thousand denominations professing theirs is the way or any way will do.

Thanks for the post and the salutation! It reminds me that there is a post to me in regard to Hebrews four that needs addressed somewhere. I must find it, and try to put an end to this tripe.
May the Lord continue to bless us all in all his Way, Jesus Christ.
Happy Sabbath friend!
 
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I do not accept that statement, and I agree that we have a wide enough disagreement that there is probably no reason to continue.

Nevertheless, the popular preaching of this world that the Pharisees were a "religion whose adherents follow the laws listed in the Pentateuch (Genesis through Deuteronomy)" is not true, not based on my words, but based on the Word's of the Jesus "of the Bible" that I posted. Whether a man agrees with the Sayings of this Jesus or as in this case, disagrees with the Sayings of this Jesus, have no bearing on the validity and Truthfulness of His Sayings, in my view.

It is inspired by the God of the Bible, whose Words this Jesus said to Live by, " Lev. 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him."

It is out of the Love of God that I posted Jesus Words concerning the popular teaching of this world's religions, "who call Jesus Lord, Lord, that the Pharisees were a "religion whose adherents follow the laws listed in the Pentateuch (Genesis through Deuteronomy)".

Belief in Jesus' Sayings must come from the heart. No one can make a man believe HIM.

Mark 7: 5 Then "the Pharisees" and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to "the tradition of the elders", but eat bread with unwashen hands?

6 He (The Jesus "of the Bible") answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not God as "many" who come in Christ's Name preach)

8 For "laying aside" the commandment of God, ye hold the "tradition of men", as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

9 And he (The Jesus of the Bible) said "unto them", (The Pharisees) Full well "ye reject the commandment of God", "that ye may keep" your own tradition.

I thought you should know these Word's of the Jesus "of the bible", so that you might stop promoting the popular but untrue religious philosophy that the Pharisees were a "religion whose adherents follow the laws listed in the Pentateuch (Genesis through Deuteronomy)".

But intimately the choice is yours to make.
 
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(CLV) Jn 16:7
"But I am telling you the truth. It is |expedient for you that I may be coming away, for if I should not be coming away, the consoler will not be coming to you. Now if I should be gone, I will |send him to you.

(CLV) Jn 16:8
And, coming, that will be exposing the world concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judging:

What is sin?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

What is righteousness?



Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Do you not know what justification is? Do you not know what Christ work on the cross actually accomplished?

“But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in God’s merciful restraint He let the sins previously committed go unpunished; for the demonstration, that is, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭21‬-‭26‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Justification comes apart from the law. We cannot earn justification through rule keeping or our own good works. The law never justified anyone.

Justification is only made possible by Christ sacrifice in blood. And it is given free by the grace of God through faith in the Son.

Christ paid the price for our sins.

“and He Himself brought our sins in His body up on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live for righteousness; by His wounds you were healed. For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2‬:‭24‬-‭25‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

We are declared to be righteous forensically (legally) because “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God”

“He made Him who knew no sin to be sin in our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭21‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Even the prophet Isaiah knew what Jesus would accomplish in the cross many years later. What a wonderful prophesy.

“¶However, it was our sicknesses that He Himself bore, And our pains that He carried; Yet we ourselves assumed that He had been afflicted, Struck down by God, and humiliated. But He was pierced for our offenses, He was crushed for our wrongdoings; The punishment for our well-being was laid upon Him, And by His wounds we are healed. All of us, like sheep, have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the wrongdoing of us all To fall on Him.
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53‬:‭4‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Justification does not excuse our sin, ignore our sin, or endorse our sin. Rather, our sin is fully punished, Christ having taken our penalty for us. He was our substitute.

For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3‬:‭18‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Your Webster secular definition of righteousness does not take into account Jesus sacrifice,
 
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The Torah is forever. We have been over this.
You go ahead and believe that. I don’t.

“But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭23‬-‭29‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

We are no longer under the guardianship of the law. Nor are we Israel.
He called us to follow him.

Ask any practicing Jew if he fulfills the law; and he will answer in the affirmative.

All of the Torah has not been fulfilled; but we are to fulfill our part, in our time.
Of course they will but that is not what the scriptures teach. No one can work for salvation. No one can earn justification. All of the Torah has been fulfilled in Christ through His sacrifice on the cross.
(CLV) Lk 24:44
Now He said to them, "These are My words, which I speak to you, still being with you, for all must be fulfilled that is written in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms concerning Me."

The Torah was not finished when Yahshua was killed. It was dogma (doctrine of men) that was nailed to the stake.

The Torah is forever. Yah said it. Yahshua repeated it.

I will trust in them over the doctrine of men.

“But when the fullness of the time came, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons and daughters. Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!” Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles, to which you want to be enslaved all over again? You meticulously observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4‬:‭4‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The argument in whether the believer is under the law of permeated the early church and Paul addressed the argument masterfully. The law is contrary to the gospel of good news. The law negates Jesus sacrifice for the propitiation of the believer’s sin through faith in Him. Your argument was defeated 2000 years ago.
 
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I’ve had several people that keep the sabbath argue that the sabbath is a moral commandment, therefore, those that do not worship on Saturday are sinning and consequently living in sin. The poll is self explanatory. If you choose maybe please post why.

Be blessed.

As a side note by taking into account some early Christian history, I feel safe in saying that if folks like Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus and Tertullian thought it was safe to worship on Sunday, then it probably is for me too and I'm not sinning by doing so. And I think the things that Paul said alleviate the burden of worry in this regard too.

It really saddens me to see various Christians go at it so ardently over this issue. To my mind, it's a secondary issue and if someone feels best in worshipping on Saturday, then that's fine. If they want to worship on Sunday, then that's fine too. In fact, every day should be a day of worship if the Risen Lord is who He says He is.
 
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Israel is the assembly (church)
No.

Origin and history of church


church(n.)​

Middle English chirche, from Old English cirice, circe "place of assemblage set aside for Christian worship; the body of Christian believers, Christians collectively; ecclesiastical authority or power," from Proto-Germanic *kirika (source also of Old Saxon kirika, Old Norse kirkja, Old Frisian zerke, Middle Dutch kerke, Dutch kerk, Old High German kirihha, German Kirche).
This is probably [see extensive note in OED] borrowed via an unrecorded Gothic word from Greek kyriakē (oikia), kyriakon doma "the Lord's (house)," from kyrios "ruler, lord" (from PIE root *keue- "to swell," also forming words for "strong, powerful").
Greek kyriakon (adj.) "of the Lord" had been used in reference to houses of Christian worship since c. 300, especially in the East, though it was less common in this sense than ekklesia or basilikē. An example of the direct Greek-to-Germanic transmission of many Christian words, via the Goths; probably it was used by West Germanic people in their pre-Christian period.

How does this help you? Nothing here about Israel being the church.
In Greek mythology, Circe (/ˈsərsiː/;[1] Ancient Greek: Κίρκη, romanized: Kírkē, pronounced [kírkɛː]) is an enchantress, sometimes considered a goddess or a nymph.[2] In most accounts, Circe is described as the daughter of the sun god Helios and the Oceanid Perse. Circe was renowned for her vast knowledge of potions and herbs. Through the use of these and a magic wand or staff, she would transform her enemies, or those who offended her, into animal

Are you now into pagan gods?
Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel.
Yep and Israel rejected the messiah so the branches were cut off.

““Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is the One who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23‬:‭37‬-‭39‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Until Israel declare Jesus their Lord and Savior they will remain estranged from Christ.
The renewed covenant is with Israel.
There is no renewed covenant. The covenant of blood is with the church not with Israel,
We've covered this ad nauseam.
And you keep getting it wrong. Repeating an incorrect opinion does not make it come true.
 
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As a side note by taking into account some early Christian history, I feel safe in saying that if folks like Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus and Tertullian thought it was safe to worship on Sunday, then it probably is for me too and I'm not sinning by doing so. And I think the things that Paul said alleviate the burden of worry in this regard too.

It really saddens me to see various Christians go at it so ardently over this issue. To my mind, it's a secondary issue and if someone feels best in worshipping on Saturday, then that's fine. If they want to worship on Sunday, then that's fine too. In fact, every day should be a day of worship if the Risen Lord is who He says He is.
Hear, hear. Well said.
 
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As a side note by taking into account some early Christian history, I feel safe in saying that if folks like Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus and Tertullian thought it was safe to worship on Sunday, then it probably is for me too and I'm not sinning by doing so. And I think the things that Paul said alleviate the burden of worry in this regard too.

It really saddens me to see various Christians go at it so ardently over this issue. To my mind, it's a secondary issue and if someone feels best in worshipping on Saturday, then that's fine. If they want to worship on Sunday, then that's fine too. In fact, every day should be a day of worship if the Risen Lord is who He says He is.
Would you apply this to any of the other 9 commandments. If you don't want to worship God, or worship another god, that's fine. If you don't want to stay faithful to your spouse and commit adultery that's fine. I am not sure why we apply this to the 4th commandment the holy day of the Lord thy God Isa58:13

I agree we should worship God everyday 365 24/7 but the Sabbath is more than just worship, its keeping the entire day holy dedicating it to God, resting from our works and labors focusing Him. Isa58:13 Exo 20:8-11 He doesn't want His people working themselves to death. If everyone kept Sabbath the way God commanded everyday, we would all starve. God in His great wisdom knows what He is doing, its best to place our faith and trust in Him and trust He has our best interest at heart and knows what He is doing even if it doesn't always make sense to us, its what faith is all about.

Regarding worship- Jesus in His own words relates worship to our obedience to God's commandments quoting directly from the Ten Commandments and defines plainly what false worship is . . .

Mar7:7And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men
 
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Definitions? No my friend, context, grammar and syntax.
Right which you are forcing.
A Sabbath is a day of repose by definition.
It looks like you cited Strongs. That is nice. But in respect to studying the Greek it is so much more involved than a definition.
I study the Greek. The definition is as I posted. The context does not support the plural.
Be that what it is, There was the weekly Sabbath of the Decalogue and the sabbaths to which were mandated for the festivals and Holy days. The context to which the word sabbath is used shows us which sabbath is being spoken of.
The context includes all forms including the weekly sabbath. Paul makes the same argument in Gal. 4:10-11.
Passover, the Day of Atonement and what not all had sabbaths that were separate from the Sabbath of the Decalogue. They were instituted because of our sin. The Sabbath as you know was made for man on the Seventh Day of creation as the commandment states and Scripture affirms
We are no longer under the guardianship of the law so it does not apply to the believer,
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Of decrees is a bad translation.
δόγμα dógma, dog'-mah; from the base of G1380; a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical):—decree, ordinance.

No. Is a perfectly good translation.
As is, the translation "of ordinances" as seen in the KJV which I use.
I don’t use the KJV. It is outdated, has errors, and contains words that mean something different now.
The Greek word translated decrees in the translation you are using is in the Dative case not the Genitive. In English, this relation is expressed by the words like. by or to not of. The Genitive case is that of possession. If the case was in the Genitive, then we would use the word "of "or something similar..
That’s what happens when you use an outdated translation. Notice the “of”.

“having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬


The Body of sin has been separated from us, and we have been forgiven all trespasses.
Yep. It’s called justification which the law could never do nor can we earn by doing the works of the law.
Therefore the handwriting to the decrees or as your translation states, certificate of indebt to the decrees has been blotted out.

These are they which dealt with our sin. The judgements, ceremonies in the Temple and holy days, like Passover and the Day of atonement and what not. These are they which have been blotted out. They are not needed anymore because we have been forgiven and the Temple and it's services have been eliminated.

These are they which were of the handwriting to the decrees. Mind you not the decrees themselves, but those which were by or to the decrees. Those which were because of our sin, not those which tell us what our sin is. For by the Law is the knowledge of sin. And if the Law is used righteously, it is for the sinner as God says in Romans and Timothy
The law never dealt with anyone’s sins. It convicted the sin prior to faith arriving. Now we are convicted by the Spirit.

“But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me; and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you no longer are going to see Me; and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16‬:‭7‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
The context of verse 14 is connected to verse 16 by the word "and' in verse 15, and the word "therefore" in verse 16.
As you know these words connect what is about to be said to what was previously stated. So with that understood, these meat and drink, holydays, new moon and sabbath days are they which were of the handwritings to the ordinances, The Book of the Law. Not the Ten Commandment and the Laws and statutes that showed us our sin.



Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
I’m going to use a much better translation,

“And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him,

[we were dead in our trespasses because of the human condition for which the law was given but not any more. Now we are alive in Him. No more law.]

having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

[The certificate of debt consisting of decrees is the law which was hostile to us. So not even the law benefits the believer. The law was removed and nailed to the cross. It does not get any clearer than this.]

When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

[The rulers and authorities are the Pharisees and Sadducees that Jesus challenged about their knowledge and application of the law.]


Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day—”

[since Jesus nailed the law to the cross then all of the law no longer applies to the believer so all special days like the sabbath, the food laws, etc. are no longer required of the Christian. This was to counter the broader argument during the early days of the church of the Jews that argued that the Christian was to follow the law which the apostles had already ruled that it was not necessary (Acts. 15)

‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭13‬-‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
Colossians 2:13-16 And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our wrongdoings, having canceled the certificate of debt co | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now annotations mine
 
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Thing is, scripture supports no sabbath keeping for christians.

This is certainly an interesting dynamic. According to the Holy Scriptures, The Pharisees full well rejected God's commandments, refused to Submit to God's Righteousness, polluted His Sabbaths and despised God's Judgments.

While the Faithful Church of God, called "Christians", "who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

were taught by the Christ "of the Bible" and His Chosen apostles "that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance". They they should " Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

And the Rock Jesus chose to lead the first church of God under HIS new high Priest, "after the order of Melchizedek" teaches:

1 Peter 1: 13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 But "as he which hath called you is holy", so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 "Because" it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

But now, according to the popular teaching of the religions of this world God placed me in, who "come in Christ's Name", it was the Pharisees who had Yielded themselves servants to obey God's Laws, and God rejected them for obeying His Commandments, and it is the "Christians" who reject God's Judgments, pollute His Sabbaths, create their own high days, and have gone about establishing their own righteousness.

Aren't we warned about this very thing?

Is. 5: 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

And again by Jesus Himself.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many "shall come in my name", saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and "shall deceive" many.

Remember;

Jer. 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Shall we not abide as "Doers" of the Christ's Sayings, and not hearers only, and "live by" the Word's HE instructs men to Live By?

Also like i said the Holy spirit would get offended if you are sinning seriously.

According to Peter, the "Holy Spirit" is given to those who "Obey God", not to those refuse to obey God. (Acts 5:29-32) You can read it for yourself.
"Nobody judge you about sabbaths"

Let's look at what Paul actually says.

Let no man therefore judge "you" in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Who is the "You" here? These are folks who have "Yielded themselves" servants to obey God. Who have been "renewed in the Spirit of their mind and have "put on" the new man, which "after God" is created in righteousness and true holiness.

There are those who promote that God's Commandments are not HIS Righteousness, but I find no evidence that Paul engaged in such belief.
"Some consider some days all the same, everyone should be convinced in their own mind"

Yes, when a man knows God, He should Glorify Him "AS GOD". And "AS GOD" He esteemed some days different than other days. "Let each man be convinced in his own mind", Who to hearken to, God or religious men.

"Council of Jerusalem" What of the law.

Acts 15: 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (Law of Moses) and from blood. (Law of Moses) 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

This is the same thing Jesus instructed the Multitudes and his Disciples to "do".

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do ( including but not limited to "that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood".)

but do not ye after their works: for they say, (They promote the Law of Moses) and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

This is the Yoke that Peter was talking about in Acts 15: 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

"Did you receive the spirit by obeying the law, or by hearing with faith?"

Were your sins forgiven because you brought a goat to the Levite Priest, and killed it, as required by the Old Priesthood Law for the remission of sins?

You would think that instead of saying things like this, the NT should of have expicit command to keep the sabbath if you were to sin by not keeping it, it does not, on the contrary.

Jesus, Paul, Peter and the entire Bible teaches to repent from transgressing God's Commandments AKA, "Sin", and turning to God in "Keeping God's Commandments", AKA, righteousness.

Men are free to pick and choose what Commandments they consider worthy of their honor and respect, and what commandments they judge as unworthy of their honor and respect.

But the Jesus "of the Bible", nor the Law and Prophets, nor the Apostles advocated such a behavior, rather, God gave hundreds maybe thousands of examples of men who walked in this path, even as Eve walked in this path, and the results were the same very time.

It seems prudent to point these things out, considering the warning of the Holy Scriptures.
 
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Would you apply this to any of the other 9 commandments. If you don't want to worship God, or worship another god, that's fine. If you don't want to stay faithful to your spouse and commit adultery that's fine. I am not sure why we apply this to the 4th commandment the holy day of the Lord thy God Isa58:13

I agree we should worship God everyday 365 24/7 but the Sabbath is more than just worship, its keeping the entire day holy dedicating it to God, resting from our works and labors focusing Him. Isa58:13 Exo 20:8-11 He doesn't want His people working themselves to death. If everyone kept Sabbath the way God commanded everyday, we would all starve. God in His great wisdom knows what He is doing, its best to place our faith and trust in Him and trust He has our best interest at heart and knows what He is doing even if it doesn't always make sense to us, its what faith is all about.

Regarding worship- Jesus in His own words relates worship to our obedience to God's commandments quoting directly from the Ten Commandments and defines plainly what false worship is . . .

Mar7:7And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

This sort of response doesn't sound to me like you're really wanting or expecting an answer from me, nor that you are willing to have a bilateral exchange of ideas and/or intepretations......

We'll just have to agree to disagree, sister SabbathBlessings.
 
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The context includes all forms including the weekly sabbath
Exactly. And that's what he stated in that verse -sabbaton days. Sabbaton is the day of weekly repose. So there's no getting around Paul's meaning here. And he includes them all and separates them for emphasis. It has nothing to do with special sabbaths or anything like that. He already included holydays. And he specifically stated sabbaton days. Meaning the days of the weekly repose.
 
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This is certainly an interesting dynamic. According to the Holy Scriptures, The Pharisees full well rejected God's commandments, refused to Submit to God's Righteousness, polluted His Sabbaths and despised God's Judgments.

While the Faithful Church of God, called "Christians", "who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

were taught by the Christ "of the Bible" and His Chosen apostles "that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance". They they should " Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

And the Rock Jesus chose to lead the first church of God under HIS new high Priest, "after the order of Melchizedek" teaches:

1 Peter 1: 13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 But "as he which hath called you is holy", so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 "Because" it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

But now, according to the popular teaching of the religions of this world God placed me in, who "come in Christ's Name", it was the Pharisees who had Yielded themselves servants to obey God's Laws, and God rejected them for obeying His Commandments, and it is the "Christians" who reject God's Judgments, pollute His Sabbaths, create their own high days, and have gone about establishing their own righteousness.

Aren't we warned about this very thing?

Is. 5: 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

And again by Jesus Himself.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many "shall come in my name", saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and "shall deceive" many.

Remember;

Jer. 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Shall we not abide as "Doers" of the Christ's Sayings, and not hearers only, and "live by" the Word's HE instructs men to Live By?



According to Peter, the "Holy Spirit" is given to those who "Obey God", not to those refuse to obey God. (Acts 5:29-32) You can read it for yourself.


Let's look at what Paul actually says.

Let no man therefore judge "you" in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Who is the "You" here? These are folks who have "Yielded themselves" servants to obey God. Who have been "renewed in the Spirit of their mind and have "put on" the new man, which "after God" is created in righteousness and true holiness.

There are those who promote that God's Commandments are not HIS Righteousness, but I find no evidence that Paul engaged in such belief.


Yes, when a man knows God, He should Glorify Him "AS GOD". And "AS GOD" He esteemed some days different than other days. "Let each man be convinced in his own mind", Who to hearken to, God or religious men.



Acts 15: 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (Law of Moses) and from blood. (Law of Moses) 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

This is the same thing Jesus instructed the Multitudes and his Disciples to "do".

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do ( including but not limited to "that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood".)

but do not ye after their works: for they say, (They promote the Law of Moses) and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

This is the Yoke that Peter was talking about in Acts 15: 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?



Were your sins forgiven because you brought a goat to the Levite Priest, and killed it, as required by the Old Priesthood Law for the remission of sins?



Jesus, Paul, Peter and the entire Bible teaches to repent from transgressing God's Commandments AKA, "Sin", and turning to God in "Keeping God's Commandments", AKA, righteousness.

Men are free to pick and choose what Commandments they consider worthy of their honor and respect, and what commandments they judge as unworthy of their honor and respect.

But the Jesus "of the Bible", nor the Law and Prophets, nor the Apostles advocated such a behavior, rather, God gave hundreds maybe thousands of examples of men who walked in this path, even as Eve walked in this path, and the results were the same very time.

It seems prudent to point these things out, considering the warning of the Holy Scriptures.

I know the Holy spirit, he doesn't get offended by not keeping the sabbath.
If find it bad, one christian say they have a little communion with God, and people say they are fake or worse.
Funny is about questions of the law they say you are fake.
 
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