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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?
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Nope.
But it is no longer needed. The Spirit now convicts the believer.
This is why the Jesus "of the Bible" said:
31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seekfor your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and "his righteousness"; and all these things shall be added unto you.
According to Paul's teaching, When a person "Yields themselves" servants to obey God, that is walking in the Spirit, so that the Righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in those who "walk after the Spirit".
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Those who reject God's Laws or Judgments, or judges them as "not righteousness", as Eve did, they are "walking after the flesh".
Paul teaches that Before repentance, "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience", he was "Dead in Trespasses and Sins".
There was no Law that could take away this death. But for those who believe (Have Faith), that if they follow Paul's instructions for both Jews and Gentile, "that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance", that Jesus is Faithful to take away their sins.
The Pharisees, just like the disobedience Israelites in Isaiah 1, full well rejected the Commandments of God that they might live by and promote the traditions and commandments of men. Yet every week they would gather together unto God and bringing the Blood of innocent beings, as per the Law, to "Justify their wicked Flesh".
But as the Spirit of Christ told them through Isaiah, and the same Spirit of Christ told them through Paul, "by the works of the Law is no Flesh justified".
What God requires instead, He tells men if they would only believe Him.
Is. 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
What does God Want?
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Paul's teaching is the same.
Eph. 4: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God "is created in righteousness and true holiness."
Same Christ, Same circumstance, Same Gospel. As it is written: "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
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I don’t obey the Torah. Im not Jewish. I do like the Shema as quite inspirational.
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How can you say that you don't reject Yah's direction; but you don't obey it either?
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Post it here so we can discuss.
Those who sin continually are not of God. However, all still sin and convicted by the Holy Spirit. The thing is that today all we have to do is repent if our sin and He is faithful and forgive our sin.
“If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”
1 John 1:8-10 NASB2020
1 John 1:8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all | New American Standard Bible - NAS
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all
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Can those under the law do this? Could the biblical Jews and even today’s Jews who are still under the law do this?
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Because I am not under the law. I walk on the Spirit who gives me direction.
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Tell that to Ananias and Sapphira.
Rejecting God's Commandments, Judgements and Statutes, Even the Least of them, is not how the Faithful Loved God in the Bible. It's how men honored Him with their lips, it's how "Many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord honor Him, but it's not how every example of Faithful man shown to us by the Holy Scriptures honored Him.
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If we read down a little further; we can get a better understanding.
(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.
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They died BECAUSE they lied to the Spirit. Not relevant.
Strawman. I’m not arguing about rejecting God’s commandments. The statutes are part of the Mosaic law which was never given to the Church.
Again, I walk in the Spirit and always honor God.
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Yes
I prefer the NASB translation.
“No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God.”
1 John 3:9 NASB2020
1 John 3:9 No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now
No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God.
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Are we now getting into osas? Or the preservation of the saints?
Go to the next verse.
“By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister.”
1 John 3:10 NASB2020
1 John 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downl
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister.
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Again, crystal clear.
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You might need to reread #116 then. You haven't offered any rebuttal to the fact that he denies any obligation on Christians' part to keep the sabbath, nor to the fact that Sozomen when describing the exact same situation doesn't draw any distinction between Saturday and Sunday. You haven't even substantiated your claim that there's a distinction shown in Socrates in the first place, and it seems like you either don't have the ability or the willingness to do so. Frankly, it doesn't seem like you're interested in defending your use of him at all, you're just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks.
The part of my quote that you cut off is that you tried to say he was not your source even though you introduced him as a source way back in #29.
Oh, don't count on me responding further. You've made it clear you're not interested in having an honest, good faith discussion, nor are you able to back up your historical claims, so unless that changes, we'll part ways here.
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Lol, "They Lied" to the Apostles, to the entire Church of God which is lying to the Holy Spirit.
Are you really preaching that their actions were not transgressions of God's Law, both the Greatest Commandment and the 2nd Greatest Commandment?
Are you serious really, or are you trolling?
"Let us keep the feast"
Are you excluding yourself from the "us"?
The Pharisees honored God too.
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That abstract Greek word, for the English word,"law," is a poor translation of the concrete Hebrew word "Torah."
Torah means direction. The law is Yah's direction. Yah's Ruach (spirit) will not take us in a different direction than Yah himself will.
Paul presents a dichotomy between those who are subject to the Torah; and those who are not.
(CLV) Ro 8:5
For those who are in accord with flesh are disposed to that which is of the flesh, yet those who are in accord with spirit to that which is of the spirit.
(CLV) Ro 8:6
For the disposition of the flesh is death, yet the disposition of the spirit is life and peace,
(CLV) Ro 8:7
because the disposition of the flesh is enmity to God, for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither is it able
(CLV) Ro 8:8
Now those who are in flesh are not able to please God.
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“But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the proceeds of the land?”
Acts 5:3 NASB2020
Acts 5:3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the proceeds of the land? | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the proceeds of the land?
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Peter never says that Ananias lied to the apostles of which Peter is one. Read scripture carefully.
I don’t troll. If you have a rebuttal then post it.
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Everything that you don’t agree with is a poor translation to you. I’m going to actually follow the scholarship rather than your opinion.
The Torah was written by Moses and given to the Jews. It includes the 613 mitzvot which includes the 10 commandments. These were never given to the church. Again, Christians are not Jews.
“For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
Galatians 3:10-14 NASB2020
Galatians 3:10-14 For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.” Now, that no one is just | New American Standard Bible -
For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.” Now, that no one is just
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You continued to pull at straws to justify putting the Christian back under the bondage of the law. Christ nailed the law to the cross. There is no dichotomy with Paul’s teachings.
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The word "continually" was added.
It's not in the Greek manuscripts.
John didn't say that.
Maybe this will help:
(CLV) 1Jn 3:6
Everyone who is remaining in Him is not sinning. Everyone who is sinning sees Him not, neither knows Him.
There is no sin in Yahshua.
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“But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the proceeds of the land?”
Acts 5:3 NASB2020
Acts 5:3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the proceeds of the land? | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the proceeds of the land?bible.com
Peter never says that Ananias lied to the apostles of which Peter is one. Read scripture carefully.
I don’t troll. If you have a rebuttal then post it.
I'm curious to see how far you will take this teaching that Ananias and Sapphira didn't transgress God's Commandments.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell "me" whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
So in your religion, this isn't Ananias or Sapphira breaking any of God's commandments or Judgments?
That's fascinating.
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