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Can these kinds of people be trusted?

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Let's just say this one person is a very animated, gregarious person. They tend to lead the table by talking almost constantly. They seem civil if not cordial, but it also seems that everything that comes out of their mouth is talking about someone. They don't necessarily talk bad about someone (though I don't know them enough to say this), but they're ALWAYS mentioning someone's name in practically every other sentence. It makes me wonder, is this too similar to gossip, or is this more excusable?

ps this is not the same woman who I sensed was condescending on me being a convert.
 
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Let's just say this one person is a very animated, gregarious person. They tend to lead the table by talking almost constantly. They seem civil if not cordial, but it also seems that everything that comes out of their mouth is talking about someone. They don't necessarily talk bad about someone (though I don't know them enough to say this), but they're ALWAYS mentioning someone's name in practically every other sentence. It makes me wonder, is this too similar to gossip, or is this more excusable?

ps this is not the same woman who I sensed was condescending on me being a convert.
No, I would not trust someone that talks about people whether good or bad. Talking about someone else is only sharing an opinion. It is not a true communication of that person, as the person speaking has no real knowledge of the one of whom they speak, only their view of them
I would say, thank you for sharing your opinion, but if I wanted to know of someone, I would ask them directly, and please be aware that anything you share with me will have to be verified by my telling them of this conversation. I won’t reveal your name but I will discuss the opinions you hold to see if they are true. That may get them to change the subject

A simple memory device is good minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people
 
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Let's just say this one person is a very animated, gregarious person. They tend to lead the table by talking almost constantly. They seem civil if not cordial, but it also seems that everything that comes out of their mouth is talking about someone. They don't necessarily talk bad about someone (though I don't know them enough to say this), but they're ALWAYS mentioning someone's name in practically every other sentence. It makes me wonder, is this too similar to gossip, or is this more excusable?

ps this is not the same woman who I sensed was condescending on me being a convert.
Is this someone in your formation classes? I would say it depends on the way they are referred to. It’s hard to make a call on something like that without being there.
 
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Is this someone in your formation classes? I would say it depends on the way they are referred to. It’s hard to make a call on something like that without being there.
Yes she's in my course. It's not a gossipy tone per se but she's constantly discussing other people's lives, who the whole table already knows.
 
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No, I would not trust someone that talks about people whether good or bad. Talking about someone else is only sharing an opinion. It is not a true communication of that person, as the person speaking has no real knowledge of the one of whom they speak, only their view of them
I would say, thank you for sharing your opinion, but if I wanted to know of someone, I would ask them directly, and please be aware that anything you share with me will have to be verified by my telling them of this conversation. I won’t reveal your name but I will discuss the opinions you hold to see if they are true. That may get them to change the subject

A simple memory device is good minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people
She discusses actual things going on in their lives but none of them are present.
 
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Yes she's in my course. It's not a gossipy tone per se but she's constantly discussing other people's lives, who the whole table already knows.
Well that sounds like gossip. I was wondering if they were speaking in such a way like- so and so used to take this course, etc., like a helpful example.
 
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Well that sounds like gossip. I was wondering if they were speaking in such a way like- so and do used to take this course, etc., like a helpful example.
I don't want to be too specific because I don't know who reads this site, lol.
 
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Let's just say this one person is a very animated, gregarious person. They tend to lead the table by talking almost constantly. They seem civil if not cordial, but it also seems that everything that comes out of their mouth is talking about someone. They don't necessarily talk bad about someone (though I don't know them enough to say this), but they're ALWAYS mentioning someone's name in practically every other sentence. It makes me wonder, is this too similar to gossip, or is this more excusable?

Your instincts are telling you this person is not a 'safe' person ... a safe person to emotionally trust ... and that would be correct.

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Your instincts are telling you this person is not a 'safe' person ... a safe person to emotionally trust ... and that would be correct.
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I'm already worried about the other person (the one I referred to in my previous post) using my info against me. She seemed nice on the first meeting, but at the next meeting I didn't like the feeling I got after she asked me if I was a convert.
 
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I'm already worried about the other person (the one I referred to in my previous post) using my info against me. She seemed nice on the first meeting, but at the next meeting I didn't like the feeling I got after she asked me if I was a convert.
Relationship building can be a very 'trial and error' sort of thing; takes time. And sometimes we will make mistakes, and trust a wrong person with too much information*. Just seems to be part of 'the learning process'! ;)

(*Not saying you did; don't know that you did.)

When I think I may have revealed too much to an emotionally unsafe person, I've learned that most times all I can do is to put the situation in God's Hands (pray), knowing that, in the end, gossipy persons will be accountable to Him for every tale they've spread about others.
 
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She discusses actual things going on in their lives but none of them are present.
Is there any reason to discuss them? I think it is rude to talk behind some one’s back. We may all be guilty of it at one time or another, but we need to repent and not hold it forth as acceptable behavior
 
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Is there any reason to discuss them?
I personally say no, there is not. I don't like it when someone consistently discusses other people, even if the information seems neutral. I'm not interested in hearing someone yap about Mr and Mrs Churchgoer going on a trip across another continent. It kind of looks like they're spoiled rich folks. Maybe that's me.
 
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I personally say no, there is not. I don't like it when someone consistently discusses other people, even if the information seems neutral. I'm not interested in hearing someone yap about Mr and Mrs Churchgoer going on a trip across another continent. It kind of looks like they're spoiled rich folks. Maybe that's me.
"Maybe that's me"? It is good that that thought came to you, dear Lady. This whole thread was troubling to read, because a great opportunity for obedience to the Lord was missed, concerning forgiveness. That is so very important for us all, to be always forgiving toward others - even overt enemies - because none of us are ready to meet the Lord, and we are told to ask, to plead to be forgiven by our Lord "as we forgive those who trespass against us." I say none of us are ready, now, to stand before Him and how do I know this? Because we are still here. God is not finished with us, not yet. We are all called to holiness. We can praise Him for His patience, His mercy, His enduring Love, and may we all grow in more than just tolerance, but godly mercy.
 
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"Maybe that's me"? It is good that that thought came to you, dear Lady. This whole thread was troubling to read, because a great opportunity for obedience to the Lord was missed, concerning forgiveness. That is so very important for us all, to be always forgiving toward others - even overt enemies - because none of us are ready to meet the Lord, and we are told to ask, to plead to be forgiven by our Lord "as we forgive those who trespass against us." I say none of us are ready, now, to stand before Him and how do I know this? Because we are still here. God is not finished with us, not yet. We are all called to holiness. We can praise Him for His patience, His mercy, His enduring Love, and may we all grow in more than just tolerance, but godly mercy.
This is something to think about. I don't even regard them as enemies, just not friends (right now at least). I say the latter because I haven't had enough time to really know them. It is hard, however, to hear people talk in this manner (at the table). I think this kind of fellowship is too much, too fast.
 
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I personally say no, there is not. I don't like it when someone consistently discusses other people, even if the information seems neutral. I'm not interested in hearing someone yap about Mr and Mrs Churchgoer going on a trip across another continent. It kind of looks like they're spoiled rich folks. Maybe that's me.
Yes, I know what you mean. I have many experiences like that in my life. You are right not to trust someone like that. They are not necessarily bad, but they will have no regard for your feelings or give you the respect you deserve. If one objects to their conversation, they will turn it around and make us feel worse. Say things like , what are you, jealous?
No, I just don’t feel like hearing about it. I have gone through deep emotional pain in my life, and in that state there are very few that want to help.
If you think of a drowning person, many would want to help save them, but most are not strong enough to do so. A drowning person is fighting for life and they will grab onto anything for help, which may pull the rescuer down with them, which will happen, unless the person is a lifeguard that can bring them to safety.
When I meet someone like that, I wish them the best and I even pray for them, but I set the boundary. They are not at the level of friend, they are reduced to acquaintance.
I can smile and say hi, consider if they have any need I can fill or help them, but there is no way I am opening up and sharing my thoughts as I would a true friend.

Spirits use pain and trauma to isolate us and turn us against God. They plant thoughts in our head that say look at you, no one likes you, you are not good enough, you will always be alone, then the spirits will take you to very dark places.
They way they are stopped is to confront them and say, so what ? I do not live my life by the thoughts and opinions of other people. The life I now live is for the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me. He told me that if I followed Him, everyone would hate me, so I ask you again spirit, so what ?
Then I use the time alone to stay in contemplative prayer, and consider God’s command to love my enemies. I can pour my heart out to God, and He gives me His grace


You are in a spiritual battle. Stick close to mother Mary, she will help us and reveal what we are to do, if we ask. You are not alone, and you don’t have to feel bad about yourself because you don’t want to hear about others world travel
 
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They don't necessarily talk bad about someone (though I don't know them enough to say this), but they're ALWAYS mentioning someone's name in practically every other sentence.

I once had a Christian friend who talked like this, it was only when I caught her out in lie that I dropped her like a ton of bricks.
 
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