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Having the time and space to exercise is indeed a privilege. As is having access to healthy food and the time to cook it.
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Yeah cause they are all.starving to death. No its becauae they have plenty to eat and are eating crap. Either that or over eating.
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Yes - the term (at least here in the US) for such areas is "food desert". In short, it is an area where there is no grocery store / supermarket to get fresh, healthy food. Thus, people end up getting their food from what is close (convenience store, bodega, dollar store, etc). Most of these places sell heavily processed junk food for high prices. The people eat junk that makes them fat, because that is what is available.
As pointed out these are often in poor urban areas, but can occur in poor rural areas as well and are actually more common in rural areas.
Notice the commonality between the areas? Yup.. poor, low income areas.
Although dated (from 2011) the government has maps of them available here.
Mapping Food Deserts in the United States | Economic Research Service
ERS's Food Desert Locator is a mapping tool that presents a spatial overview of where food deserts are located and provides selected characteristics of the populations that live in them.www.ers.usda.gov
Why on earth would we use the word food dessert? Oh I know to make sound like prople are living in the Sahara and its much more dramatic effect to do so.
People live more than a mile from a Supermarket? A whole mile? Maybe its 3 miles? Good grief what do we expect? That there be a Supermarket on every block?
Whats the point. Most human beings dont live within a mile of a Supermarket. I live about 3 1/2 miles from one. I know plenty of people that live further than that.
Yeah, if you live out in the country its expected you wont be close to one. I lived out in the country about 10 miles from one for years. I would just have to make a special trip or stop on my way home after work.
People need to stop.making excuses. There will never be a grocery store within a mile or 3 from every person living there. They would never stay in business. Who on earth in their right mind would think thats a possibility?
Secondly these same people will complain about there not being a grocery store within a mile but will happily jump on a bus and ride halfway across town go to a clothing or electronics store.
Life isnt easy for most of us. Most of us have to fet off our butts and drive or take public transportation to go anywhere worthwhile. Its not all just out our front door down the block. Man we are an entitled society.
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Michelle Obama tried giving these hungry children healthy food. They just threw it in the trash.
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Because we have collectively decided that that term is what should be used to mean "area with insufficient access to fresh groceries".
Proximity to a supermarket is cross-referenced with poverty because people living in poverty are less likely to have access to reliable transportation. Have you tried carrying groceries for a family for a mile? Even on a bus or a bike that's not easy.
Do you have any data to support this assertion? Or are you just saying something that you think sounds right?
Note that the standard is, in fact, 10 miles for a rural area:
Generally speaking, the weight and quantity of purchases from a clothing store or an electronics store are significantly easier to manage on a bus than groceries. Especially considering that some groceries spoil if left unrefrigerated too long.
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I'm sad he has a drug problem. Hopefully he can get on a program, that helps him get off drugs. Some drugs make you crave sugar, when you can't get it.
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Access to Fresh Produce
In the United States the local grocery stores and farmer's markets have affordable fruits and vegetables. Grocery stores carry frozen vegetables. Even Dollar General and Dollar Tree carry frozen vegetables (albeit from China). Friends and neighbors give fresh produce to each other. Vegetables can be grown, even in an apartment. Food banks give out fresh produce.
As a person with a lot of experience being poor, I have yet to meet someone poor or otherwise who didn't have access to affordable fresh fruits and vegetables from at least one or more of the above sources. I had them growing up poor and I can afford them now being poor.
What place in the US doesn't have access to fruits and vegetables? Or are too expensive? Alaska? There is a Walmart and/or Dollar General in just about every town; both have cheap frozen vegetables. You can even buy fruits and vegetables at gas stations.
It isn't about cost (yet), as I find produce to be very affordable.
Stretching Your Budget
Even in this economy it isn't difficult to make a meal on the cheap with fresh produce that will feed you for a whole week. I haven't even had to resort to eating the poverty basics yet and my monthly grocery budget is $100 USD.
SNAP
SNAP has been enabling people to live off of junk food rather than homemade meals. How many would rather eat junk food than take the time to cook a meal with fresh produce? You can't make a person eat what is good for them, they have to want to do it for themselves.
If you get in the habit of only eating junk food, you don't want fresh produce. I know. I actually fell into that pattern at one time in my life when I was working and making good money. Sometimes I would go months on end buying mostly meat and junk food, and very little fruits or vegetables. I would buy them and they would go bad because I favored everything but what was good for me.
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I grew up on food stamp assistance. My mother didn't buy junk food. She bought healthy food that she could make meals with to stretch the whole month.
I see it as a people problem. People choosing junk food instead of making their own meals, which requires them to plan meals and buy ingredients to make them.
In the United States the local grocery stores and farmer's markets have affordable fruits and vegetables. Grocery stores carry frozen vegetables. Even Dollar General and Dollar Tree carry frozen vegetables (albeit from China). Friends and neighbors give fresh produce to each other. Vegetables can be grown, even in an apartment. Food banks give out fresh produce.
As a person with a lot of experience being poor, I have yet to meet someone poor or otherwise who didn't have access to affordable fresh fruits and vegetables from at least one or more of the above sources. I had them growing up poor and I can afford them now being poor.
What place in the US doesn't have access to fruits and vegetables? Or are too expensive? Alaska? There is a Walmart and/or Dollar General in just about every town; both have cheap frozen vegetables. You can even buy fruits and vegetables at gas stations.
It isn't about cost (yet), as I find produce to be very affordable.
Stretching Your Budget
Even in this economy it isn't difficult to make a meal on the cheap with fresh produce that will feed you for a whole week. I haven't even had to resort to eating the poverty basics yet and my monthly grocery budget is $100 USD.
SNAP
SNAP has been enabling people to live off of junk food rather than homemade meals. How many would rather eat junk food than take the time to cook a meal with fresh produce? You can't make a person eat what is good for them, they have to want to do it for themselves.
If you get in the habit of only eating junk food, you don't want fresh produce. I know. I actually fell into that pattern at one time in my life when I was working and making good money. Sometimes I would go months on end buying mostly meat and junk food, and very little fruits or vegetables. I would buy them and they would go bad because I favored everything but what was good for me.
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I grew up on food stamp assistance. My mother didn't buy junk food. She bought healthy food that she could make meals with to stretch the whole month.
I see it as a people problem. People choosing junk food instead of making their own meals, which requires them to plan meals and buy ingredients to make them.
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Many SNAP recipients do the same. I take it that she only worked one job, had a stove and refrigerator and some other equipment and at some point in her life had learned how to cook.
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No we didn't. There is reason words like that are used. Its too convey a psychological effect. Oh its a desert. There's no food and people are going to starve becauae its SO HARD TO HAVE TO GO A MILE TO GET TO A GROCERY STORE THATS LOADED WITH FOOD.
Who said it has to be easy? What do you want a supermarket on every street corner?
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We did have a stove and fridge, provided by the low income housing. Mother will tell your herself she isn't a good cook, but I love her cooking. My father used to relay the story of the orange meat dish she made him one time (when they were married, before my time). I have my own stories, like the vegetarian meatloaf that tasted like coffee grounds. There were plenty of successes though, and things I had never heard of but became favorites, like hot dogs on homemade pizza. Grandmother (her mother) was an amazing cook. Mother grew up on the depression era recipes grandmother learned as a child, and that is what I grew up on.
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Funny - it doesn't bother me at all (or at least any more than the concept of an area where poor people don't have access to groceries would) because I know what the term means.
But fine; if you don't like "food desert," what word(s) should we use to describe a geographical area that does not meet the determined standard for grocery access relative to poverty level?
The yelling is both rude and unnecessary.
Your inability to recognize your privilege is not my problem.
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Do you seriously need data for that?
Okay since you asked I was wrong. 50% of people live within 2 miles of a Supermarket. Thats really close. That means 50% dont. So while not a majority of people rhats still a lot of people.which pretty much supports my point that most people dont live within a mile of a supermarket.
And theae so called food deserts arw around a mile. All of that is very close.
Yeah thats what you choose when you live out in the country. Not sure what you are getting at. Are we supposed to have supermarkets out in the country?
Just how long do you think a mile long bus ride lasts? You know I've lived in a city and ridden the bus a time or two. It doesn't rake long to go a couple of miles. Nothing g s going to spoil.
Again, what are you expecting? A supermarket on every block?
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Oh, there's a standard for how close a supermarket should've for every citizen in the city? Who created rhis standard? I know a LOT of Middle income people who aren't a mile from a grocery store.
Sometimes one has to yell to get their point across cause no one's listening.
Oh and what is that privilege I have had during my life?
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Yeah.
Appreciate it.
You were complaining that the standard didn't take into account rural areas. I pointed out that it, in fact, does.
You compared the willingness of people to travel "cross-town" to go clothes shopping with a trip to the supermarket. I'm just pointing out the differences between those scenarios.
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For every citizen? No. But cross referenced with poverty level, yes - that's what we've been discussing. Keep up.
The USDA.
Okay? We're talking about people below the poverty line though.
Apparently the time and space to exercise, as well as access to reliable transportation, a grocery store, and cooking implements. Because you wouldn't be claiming that everyone has those things if you didn't.
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