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ICE officers to attend Super Bowl after Bad Bunny halftime headliner announcement, Lewandowski says

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I just don't know where this wild idea came from that his live performances may run the risk of including anything of a sexual nature or anything demonic.

I mean sure, there's those music videos of him dressed in drag and chained to demons while wearing a BDSM collar... but not sure why people think being chained demons while wearing sex fetish gear would be demonic or sexual.


This reminds me of that one time when some lunatic tried to suggest that the band Sublime may have some marijuana themes in their music.
Time to dust off the ol’ Satanic Panic.
 
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Time to dust off the ol’ Satanic Panic.
I don't know if it's quite that drastic...

But I've noticed over the past 5 years or so, there's a "progressive playbook" on these sorts of things...

Step 1: Do something that clearly intended for shock value
Step 2: Wait until a subset of people are predictably shocked by it
Step 3: Portray it as "ridiculous" that people are shocked by it, and gaslight and pretend that what they're doing is unremarkable


This has a lot of similarities to the Sam Smith stuff that happened at the Grammy awards. Almost the exact same pattern, actually.


Being a Gen X'er, I remember when artists going for shock value used to own it and didn't mince words about why they were doing it. I can respect that angle.

But today, it's an approach where they're clearly going for that shock value, but then gaslight and pretend the thing they're doing shouldn't even be considered shocking in the first place "Gee, why are you so shocked by this?" (as if there's something wrong with the other person)


When the Red Hot Chili Peppers used to get on stage and perform in nothing but tube socks, it was pretty evident why they were doing it, they (and their fans) thought it was funny, and they got a little jolt from intentionally offending the "stuffy old people".

Nobody tried to deny or deflect by acting all aloof like "Hmmm...why would people be shocked by that? Sounds like they're just overly sensitive"
 
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I don't know if it's quite that drastic...

But I've noticed over the past 5 years or so, there's a "progressive playbook" on these sorts of things...

Step 1: Do something that clearly intended for shock value
Step 2: Wait until a subset of people are predictably shocked by it
Step 3: Portray it as "ridiculous" that people are shocked by it, and gaslight and pretend that what they're doing is unremarkable


This has a lot of similarities to the Sam Smith stuff that happened at the Grammy awards. Almost the exact same pattern, actually.


Being a Gen X'er, I remember when artists going for shock value used to own it and didn't mince words about why they were doing it. I can respect that angle.

But today, it's an approach where they're clearly going for that shock value, but then gaslight and pretend the thing they're doing shouldn't even be considered shocking in the first place "Gee, why are you so shocked by this?" (as if there's something wrong with the other person)


When the Red Hot Chili Peppers used to get on stage and perform in nothing but tube socks, it was pretty evident why they were doing it, they (and their fans) thought it was funny, and they got a little jolt from intentionally offending the "stuffy old people".

Nobody tried to deny or deflect by acting all aloof like "Hmmm...why would people be shocked by that? Sounds like they're just overly sensitive"
I dispute that a lot of this shocking! contemporary stuff is meant to shock. I think most of it is just in group identification, as well as what actually interests the artist.

Trying to be shocking is worn out and passe.
 
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I dispute that a lot of this shocking! contemporary stuff is meant to shock. I think most of it is just in group identification, as well as what actually interests the artist.

Trying to be shocking is worn out and passe.
Which group would Bad Bunny be trying to identify with? From all accounts I've read, he's straight (and to my knowledge, doesn't practice "the dark arts" so to speak)

So dressing up as a woman with a bondage fetish collar, chained to demons for a music video, would be things that just generally interest him?


If it is his sincere general interest, then the labelling of "sexual and demonic" that pundits have tossed out should be viewed as a fair labelling of the situation.

If it's not his sincere interest, then the shock value label I tossed out there would be apropos.
 
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Which group would Bad Bunny be trying to identify with? From all accounts I've read, he's straight (and to my knowledge, doesn't practice "the dark arts" so to speak)

So dressing up as a woman with a bondage fetish collar, chained to demons for a music video, would be things that just generally interest him?


If it is his sincere general interest, then the labelling of "sexual and demonic" that pundits have tossed out should be viewed as a fair labelling of the situation.

If it's not his sincere interest, then the shock value label I tossed out there would be apropos.
In this case youre just guessing, unless you have some actual insight into his motives. But I think you would have said so.
 
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In this case youre just guessing, unless you have some actual insight into his motives. But I think you would have said so.

Is there an option C here?

It's either A) something that's a genuine interest that he wants to portray in his art form (as you stated), or B) something he's doing for shock value to get attention (as I stated)


Are there any other rationales that would make sense for that?
 
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