Trump federalizing DC police, deploying National Guard in capital crime crackdown

BPPLEE · Thursday at 11:08 PM

Bradskii said:
Of course. People will be turning up with sandwiches, hot dogs, sausage rolls, meat pies, croissants...I mean, where will this madness end.

Frozen bottles of water, rocks, bricks, ….

Bradskii · Thursday at 11:20 PM

BPPLEE said:
Frozen bottles of water, rocks, bricks, ….

Ah, now. If it's food out of the freezer then all bets are off. Assault with a frozen chicken will get you 3 to 5.

BPPLEE · Thursday at 11:40 PM

Bradskii said:
Ah, now. If it's food out of the freezer then all bets are off. Assault with a frozen chicken will get you 3 to 5.

I know an officer who was assaulted with a frozen steak for real

Bradskii · Thursday at 11:49 PM

BPPLEE said:
I know an officer who was assaulted with a frozen steak for real

Loin?
No, just above it.

Brings a whole new meaning to 'chuck steak'. It's now a command.

GoldenBoy89 · Thursday at 11:49 PM

Just a reminder we’re talking about dudes dressed and equipped like this:

BPPLEE · Thursday at 11:58 PM

Bradskii said:
Loin?
No, just above it.

Brings a whole new meaning to 'chuck steak'. It's now a command.

Stolen frozen steaks in a plastic bag upside the head

Bradskii · 2025-11-07T00:06:13-0600

BPPLEE said:
Stolen frozen steaks in a plastic bag upside the head

Odd if he got a black eye. Steak would be the cause and the treatment. Which, in passing, is the same for methanol poisoning. They put you on a drip containing ethanol. The one alcohol is the cause of your problem and the other the cure as it counteracts the other.

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-07T00:27:37-0600

BPPLEE said:
Assault was overcharging. They should have just charged him with disorderly conduct. Surely you don’t think it’s okay to throw things at people, even if you don’t like them

The problem is that they are the feds. They don't really have that charge available for a regular DC street. It would be a city charge.

wing2000 · 2025-11-07T13:32:46-0600

essentialsaltes said:
In closing arguments, defense attorney Sabrina Shroff argued that a sandwich could not and did not cause harm.

They employ language to match, staging a high-tension courtroom drama: “He takes the sandwich in his hand, he [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] it back,” a lawyer for the government describes, as if the grinder were a gun. Similarly, in a court filing, the prosecution says the sandwich was thrown at “point-blank range.” Later, the lawyer inquires about the “impact” felt by the alleged victim, Customs and Border Patrol Officer Gregory Lairmore.

“I could feel it through my ballistic vest,” the agent testifies. “The sandwich…exploded all over my uniform. I could smell the onions and the mustard.” As Joseph Conrad’s Kurtz might have testified, “The horror! The horror!”

Sandwich Guy, Thrower of Hoagie–Or Hero?

The trial ended in an acquittal. But the proceedings felt like a strange sort of performance art—highly amusing and highly menacing at the same time.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Just a reminder we’re talking about dudes dressed and equipped like this:

GoldenBoy89 said:
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rjs330 · 2025-11-07T13:37:09-0600

BPPLEE said:
Assault was overcharging. They should have just charged him with disorderly conduct. Surely you don’t think it’s okay to throw things at people, even if you don’t like them

Yeah I dont know what the assault statute states. It may not have met the elements for that. In my state it would have. If you make physical contact, including throwing stuff or spitting, of an insulting or provoking nature it would be assault. So throwing a sandwich at someone that splatters all over them would be considered insulting and provoking.

But I dont know what other options they would have. I'm sure DC has some statute that would apply to something like that.

BPPLEE · 2025-11-07T13:44:49-0600

rjs330 said:
Yeah I dont know what the assault statute states. It may not have met the elements for that. In my state it would have. If you make physical contact, including throwing stuff or spitting, of an insulting or provoking nature it would be assault. So throwing a sandwich at someone that splatters all over them would be considered insulting and provoking.

But I dont know what other options they would have. I'm sure DC has some statute that would apply to something like that.

People are saying the officer should have ignored it, they totally excuse the person who threw the sandwich. What makes it okay to throw things at people and disrespect them? What would they say if an officer did it to a civilian?

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-07T13:53:04-0600

BPPLEE said:
What makes it okay to ... disrespect them?

uh, the constitution?

Nobody has a right to throw things at anybody, but you can get right out of here with that "disrespect" business.

BPPLEE said:
What would they say if an officer did it to a civilian?

Bit different of a situation, don't ya think? One being a random civilian, the other being a uniformed agent of the state.

But to answer your question. I'd say the officer was a jerk and ought to suffer some professional consequences. Criminal consequences seems a bit much.

BPPLEE · 2025-11-07T14:01:12-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
uh, the constitution?

Nobody has a right to throw things at anybody, but you can get right out of here with that "disrespect" business.

Bit different of a situation, don't ya think? One being a random civilian, the other being a uniformed agent of the state.

But to answer your question. I'd say the officer was a jerk and ought to suffer some professional consequences. Criminal consequences seems a bit much.

It’s okay to disrespect someone? Or it’s just okay to disrespect someone who works in law enforcement? Are they not human beings? Do they not deserve to be treated like other human beings?
And since it’s a constitutional right does that make it okay to disrespect people because of their occupation? Because you have a right to do it does that make it acceptable?

BCP1928 · 2025-11-07T14:14:56-0600

BPPLEE said:
It’s okay to disrespect someone? Or it’s just okay to disrespect someone who works in law enforcement? Are they not human beings? Do they not deserve to be treated like other human beings?
And since it’s a constitutional right does that make it okay to disrespect people because of their occupation? Because you have a right to do it does that make it acceptable?

In the abstract, sure. But what we are talking about here is performance art.

BPPLEE · 2025-11-07T14:19:55-0600

BCP1928 said:
In the abstract, sure. But what we are talking about here is performance art.

So disrespect is acceptable? I can disrespect gay, trans people, minorities and immigrants and all that’s acceptable because I’m performing? And I’m not talking about in a stand up comedy routine

rjs330 · 2025-11-07T14:40:49-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
But to answer your question. I'd say the officer was a jerk and ought to suffer some professional consequences. Criminal consequences seems a bit much.

The officer was a jerk? How so?

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-07T14:41:03-0600

BPPLEE said:
So disrespect is acceptable? I can disrespect gay, trans people, minorities and immigrants and all that’s acceptable because I’m performing?

Nobody's stopping you from exercising your First Amendment rights. Certainly not the Supreme Court. See Snyder v Phelps (among many many others)

Hence why government employees who got fired for disrespecting Charlie Kirk should generally win their cases.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-07T14:45:30-0600

BPPLEE said:
So disrespect is acceptable? I can disrespect gay, trans people, minorities and immigrants and all that’s acceptable because I’m performing? And I’m not talking about in a stand up comedy routine

No, the presence of CPB officers was performance art, not a serious law enforcement activity.

rjs330 · 2025-11-07T14:48:43-0600

BPPLEE said:
So disrespect is acceptable? I can disrespect gay, trans people, minorities and immigrants and all that’s acceptable because I’m performing? And I’m not talking about in a stand up comedy routine

I think its a matter of who. Disrespecting authority is honored in America. That's what had been acknowledged and allowed by the courts. Its an tradition among the citizenry in almost every free state.

However I draw the line at throwing stuff at them. They take a LOT of verbal abuse. But throwing anything should be a crime of some sort. We could probably set a standard of you can throw something no heavier or denser than a singular standard quarter sized cotton ball if you really felt compelled to throw something.

Sounds like congress needs to create a law or upgrade the current federal law.

BPPLEE · 2025-11-07T14:50:59-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Nobody's stopping you from exercising your First Amendment rights. Certainly not the Supreme Court. See Snyder v Phelps (among many many others)

Hence why government employees who got fired for disrespecting Charlie Kirk should generally win their cases.

Just because you have a right to do something, should you?
Don't you think it's better to be respectful of people and not judge the many because of the actions of the few?

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