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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • No

    Votes: 24 85.7%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 3.6%

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I’ve had several people that keep the sabbath argue that the sabbath is a moral commandment, therefore, those that do not worship on Saturday are sinning and consequently living in sin. The poll is self explanatory. If you choose maybe please post why.

Be blessed.

I voted 'no,' and I did so for essentially the same kind of historical reasons you've already mentioned in other posts in this thread. Needless to say, I'm not going to offer much here for further conversation because I think this is a secondary issue of the sort alluded to by St. Paul in Romans 14.
 
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I voted 'no,' and I did so for essentially the same kind of historical reasons you've already mentioned in other posts in this thread. Needless to say, I'm not going to offer much here for further conversation because I think this is a secondary issue of the sort alluded to by St. Paul in Romans 14.
Sabbath isn’t mentioned in Romans 14.
As a matter fact the section you are referring to isn’t about the book of the law at all.
 
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(CLV) Ezk 44:15
Yet the Levitical priests, sons of Zadok, who kept the charge of My sanctuary when the sons of Israel strayed from Me, they shall come near to Me to minister to Me, and they will stand before Me to offer to Me the fat and the blood, averring is my Lord Yahweh.

(CLV) Ezk 44:23
They shall direct My people to distinguish between the holy and the profane, and they shall inform them the difference between the unclean and the clean.

(CLV) Ezk 44:24
In a controversy it is they who shall officiate in judgment; in accord with My ordinances, thus they will judge it; My laws and My statutes shall they observe at all My appointed times, and My sabbaths shall they hallow.
The Levitical priests were responsible for maintaining the tabernacle, performing sacrifices, applying the penalties of the law, etc. They were not responsible for creating the law or the covenant. They just merely enforced it.
 
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Worship is done everyday. But the Sabbath is a day sanctified and set apart to rest from our secular work and keep holy. In it we shall do no work but that of the Lord our God. For God had said,
 
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Sabbath isn’t mentioned in Romans 14.
As a matter fact the section you are referring to isn’t about the book of the law at all.

The Sabbath doesn't need to be mentioned by name in Romans 14:5,6 (or in Colossians 2:16, for that matter) because it's implied by Paul in his allusion to general debates that took place between Jews and Gentiles over the issue of observing certain days and holy days or eating certain foods.
 
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Jesus has paid for our sins so therefore we are not under the law of Moses anymore.

According to Christian theology, Jesus's sacrifice means believers are no longer under the law of Moses, as its penalties are paid for through him.
This doesn't mean all of Moses's laws are void, but the covenant that required them has been fulfilled and superseded by a new covenant based on grace, not on the ability to keep the law perfectl
 
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Then you disagree with God’s word, for Paul had said, the law isn’t for a righteous man, but for the sinner.
Paul said many things about the law. The main teaching is reduced to the fact that the Christian is NOT under the law. The Christian has the two love commandments of Jesus.

“Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭40‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
 
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Paul said many things about the law. The main teaching is reduced to the fact that the Christian is NOT under the law. The Christian has the two love commandments of Jesus.

“Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭40‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
Do you believe the greatest commandment to love God with all our heart, might and soul, wipes out the commandments God gave that defines how to love Him?

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that isin the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

When Jesus quoted the greatest commandments He was quoting Deut6:5 which was right after the Ten Commandants were repeated 40 years after God wrote and spoke them, telling the children of Israel to keep diligently and teach their children’s children prior to crossing over their promised land to keep and teach…generation after generation.

I do not think Jesus had in mind that love to God or to man is up to each individual and not up to Him.
 
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Worship is done everyday. But the Sabbath is a day sanctified and set apart to rest from our secular work and keep holy. In it we shall do no work but that of the Lord our God. For God had said,
If you choose and not judge others for not choosing as you (Col. 2:16).
 
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Do you believe the greatest commandment to love God with all our heart, might and soul, wipes out the commandments God gave that defines how to love Him?
There goes the straw man again. No one here has argued that the commandments of God have been wiped out.
 
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There goes the straw man again. No one here has argued that the commandments of God have been wiped out.
What is not keeping then? It is essentially the same thing.
 
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What is not keeping then? It is essentially the same thing.
No. All of the law was absorbed into Jesus two love commandments. No one here is arguing that it is ok to murder, or steal, or covet, etc. You are just mad because Jesus decided to not repeat the 4th commandment into His two commandments and fulfill it in Himself therefore giving us His rest instead of just a day a week.
 
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It falls to you to explain how there's a distinction made in the text instead of just asserting that there is one.
YHWH said it is the Sabbath is on the Seventh day. That's reason enough for me not to read any ambiguity into what Socrates Scholasticus said, to prop up some dogma. Dogma was nailed to the pale.
You don't seriously think Socrates Scholasticus is saying Christians stopped being subject to the Mosaic law in AD 318, do you? Obviously he's saying that it has never been a requirement of Christians.
Yahshua said different. I'll go with what my Messiah says. Even the RCC acknowledges that the 7th day is the Sabbath

The Catholic Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, pg. 111, said, "You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we (The Roman Catholic Church) never sanctify.
Socrates Scholasticus, as I quoted him in #104.
He's your source, not mine.
 
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No. All of the law was absorbed into Jesus two love commandments. No one here is arguing that it is ok to murder, or steal, or covet, etc. You are just mad because Jesus decided to not repeat the 4th commandment into His two commandments and fulfill it in Himself therefore giving us His rest instead of just a day a week.
So, all the law was absorbed into two commandments except the one commandment that reveals the Author of the other 9 commandments that contains His seal of the entire document and who the God we are to worship Exo20:11 in the very first commandment and we are told to continue worshipping this God in the last days (Rev14:7).

Jesus saying He is Lord of the Sabbath and the Sabbath was made for man is not an example of Jesus not repeating the Sabbath commandment. Not once teaching we do not need to keep it. Instead said we can do evil on it Mark3:4, which God said is profaning it Neh13:17 and kept the Sabbath who is our example to follow 1John2:6

I know I won't change your mind, but I do believe when you claim the greatest commandments does not include one of the commandments God said is how we love Him Exo20:6 I don't think its allowing God to God.
 
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All of the law was absorbed into Jesus two love commandments.
How did you come up with that? That's not what scripture says; and heaven and earth are still here.
 
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So, all the law was absorbed into two commandments expect the one that reveals the Author of the other 9 commandments and who the God we are to worship in the very first commandment. Jesus saying He is Lord of the Sabbath and the Sabbath was made for man is not an example of Jesus not repeating the Sabbath commandment. Not once teaching we do not need to keep it.
So find the verse that repeats the 4th commandment into Jesus two commandments. You attempt to make the argument but bring no evidence other than your opinion.
 
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How did you come up with that? That's not what scripture says; and heaven and earth are still here.
“Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭40‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

It’s crystal clear.
 
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Jesus decided to not repeat the 4th commandment into His two commandments and fulfill it in Himself therefore giving us His rest instead of just a day a week.
What? Are you saying that Yahshua didn't keep the Sabbath?

He did, along with the two Torah instructions that all of the Torah instructions hang on.

Are you saying that because Yahshua fulfilled the Shema, that Christians don't have to?
 
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So find the verse that repeats the 4th commandment into Jesus two commandments. You attempt to make the argument but bring no evidence other than your opinion.
Jesus quoted Deut6:5 right after the Ten Commandments was repeated and it included the 4th. I am not in a position to disprove what God says, to remove Him as our Creator Exo20:11 the Gpd we are called to worship Rev14:7 but that can be between you and He.

Take care
 
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“Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭40‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

It’s crystal clear.
Yes, the entire Bible hangs on the Testimony of God, how to love God shown by the first 4 commandments how to love our neighbor shown by the last 6 commandments and they are very broad Psa119:196 just as Jesus taught Mat5:19-30. The entire Bible is about the testimony of God John5:39 what person would you point to in the bible that would have a greater testimony of God, than God Himself Exo31:18 no one. Why the entire Bible hangs on it- how to love God, how to love man-its on every page of the Bible. God's version, not mans edited one, we were told not to. Deut4:2 Mat5:18 Psa89:34 because we are not God and no servant is greater than their master.
 
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