“Most Holy Theotokos, Save Us!” – on the New Vatican Document about Marian Titles

johnnypapa · Thursday at 6:15 AM

“Most Holy Theotokos, Save Us!” This is the common refrain of the Byzantine liturgy. Ὑπεραγία Θεοτόκε, σῶσον ἡμᾶς. This is the cry of any soul who knows that he is punished justly for his sins and he has no merits by which to plead with the Just Judge. He also knows that the demons are so much more powerful than him. Therefore he cries out to his mother to save him.

“Most Holy Theotokos, Save Us!” - on the New Vatican Document about Marian Titles

The new document contains no definitive language intending to definitively bind the faithful.

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chevyontheriver · Thursday at 9:21 AM

johnnypapa said:
“Most Holy Theotokos, Save Us!” - on the New Vatican Document about Marian Titles

The new document contains no definitive language intending to definitively bind the faithful.

onepeterfive.com

Mater Populi Fidelis is a confusing thing. Mostly it seems to recommend we just shut up about Mary. It ‘might’ shed a little positive light on how we understand the ‘co-‘ as in co-mediator. It seems to say, though, that there can be some true things we dare not say because they might be misunderstood. How does this fit on the balance beam between prudence and timidity? Has the teaching about Mary suddenly become something for only the higher level believers? Or is it all just optional now? Or do they hope it will all just go away? I suspect that cardinal Fernandez muddied the waters a bit.

joymercy · Thursday at 9:52 AM

chevyontheriver said:
Mater Populi Fidelis is a confusing thing. Mostly it seems to recommend we just shut up about Mary. It ‘might’ shed a little positive light on how we understand the ‘co-‘ as in co-mediator. It seems to say, though, that there can be some true things we dare not say because they might be misunderstood. How does this fit on the balance beam between prudence and timidity? Has the teaching about Mary suddenly become something for only the higher level believers? Or is it all just optional now? Or do they hope it will all just go away? I suspect that cardinal Fernandez muddied the waters a bit.

Co in Latin is Cum, and cum means WITH, not equal to.

Mary is not equal to Jesus

But we cannot deny that she was WITH Jesus

Paul says that we are CO-workers in the vineyard with Jesus

Was he saying that we are equal to Jesus?

NO.

It means that we are With Him

When we feed our selves, it goes into the head, and then through the neck

Jesus is the head of the body of Christ

We are the body of Christ, Mary is the neck

The grace comes from God, but through Mary.

Virgo portens, Ora pro nobis!

chevyontheriver · Thursday at 11:48 AM

joymercy said:
Co in Latin is Cum, and cum means WITH, not equal to.

Mary is not equal to Jesus

But we cannot deny that she was WITH Jesus

Paul says that we are CO-workers in the vineyard with Jesus

Was he saying that we are equal to Jesus?

NO.

It means that we are With Him

When we feed our selves, it goes into the head, and then through the neck

Jesus is the head of the body of Christ

We are the body of Christ, Mary is the neck

The grace comes from God, but through Mary.

Virgo portens, Ora pro nobis!

I agree. So many of our Protestant friends can’t get it through their heads that we do not consider Mary to be God’s equal, a fourth member of the Trinity.

johnnypapa · Thursday at 12:14 PM

“Most Holy Theotokos, Save Us!” This is the common refrain of the Byzantine liturgy. Ὑπεραγία Θεοτόκε, σῶσον ἡμᾶς. This is the cry of any soul who knows that he is punished justly for his sins and he has no merits by which to plead with the Just Judge. He also knows that the demons are so much more powerful than him. Therefore he cries out to his mother to save him.

The thought that immediately came to mind when I read this was that when watching war films, men dying in battle frequently call out for their mothers. This apparently is a phenomenon with many dying people, not only soldiers.

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