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Yes, the child will receive benefits as a US citizen, but the parents will not. Those benefits received wouldn't be enough to feed the entire family.
False.

If a household has a U.S.-born child, that child can qualify the household for SNAP. Benefits issued for the child feed the entire household. This is how many mixed-status households legally receive SNAP. In that regard, having a single child citizen (anchor baby) provides many welfare benefits to entire families of illegal or undocumented immigrants.

The truth is illegals ARE receiving the benefits of SNAP in round about ways while not being eligible themselves. So thats that. Mom and dad are getting the stamps for the kids. And if course using that money for the family as a whole. That cannot be denied.
 
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False.

If a household has a U.S.-born child, that child can qualify the household for SNAP. Benefits issued for the child feed the entire household. This is how many mixed-status households legally receive SNAP. In that regard, having a single child citizen (anchor baby) provides many welfare benefits to entire families of illegal or undocumented immigrants.
This is incorrect. Only those in the household who are eligible to receive SNAP get the benefits. An undocumented mother and father with one child born in the US would only get benefits for the child; the parents would get no benefits. While the amount the child will receive will vary by state and household income, what they do receive will not be enough to feed the entire family.
 
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I know some homeless people who are tired of eating Carl’s Jr, Burger King, and McDonald’s, which their hot food EBT pays for, and would like to buy hot Rotisserie Chicken and other hot meat from the local health food grocery store, but they struggle to do that because their EBT doesn’t pay for it.

The program needs reformed.

I also have lived on EBT for three years and am still irritated over this, because a rotisserie chicken costs $5 at Costco and feeds me for a week. Meanwhile, I can go over to the frozen food section and buy a frozen pizza for $16.99 in the same store, covered by EBT, which takes 30 minutes to cook, as opposed to reheating said Chicken for 2 minutes in the microwave.

“But linux, that’s bougousie, most poor people don’t have a Costco membership.”

The same chicken is available at Sprouts for $10. There are cuts of hot chicken, hot steak, etc available at Jimbo’s (a local health food store) for $4-$7 apiece, ready to eat. If a burger at McDonald’s costs 12 bucks, all of that is less than said burger cost. At the same store, you can get a salad for $5 and with your $7 cut of meat, we’re back at comparable price for a lot healthier meal.

And it’s not about control, it’s about actually meeting the needs of poor individuals in a way that makes economic sense. Controlling who can buy what based on temperature is an outdated business model that needs to change. The program needs to be about the needs of the people it serves, not about the opinions of outsiders who don’t understand what people need.

Also, I should point this out: people in need will always lie to pastors and exaggerate how broke/destitute they are in order to get free services. This is because of the culture of blaming poor people for their situation we have in America. Working with these people as a caseworker is not enough for an authoritative opinion. One needs to walk the walk to talk the talk, and recently, not back in 1975. The economic situation in the United States has deteriorated.

With that being said, I’ve also recently completed training for a position at a grocery store and we were given extensive instruction on food safety rules. Grocery store food departments have to follow the same regulations as restaurants, and hot rotisserie chicken should be safe to eat.
 
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Nope.

Why should I? I would be better off quiting my job, getting a divorce but still live with my ex, and live off of the government.
No you wouldn't but it makes you look so baaaad when you say it.

Again, why should I get a better job when I can make more just sitting on the couch?
This is just dishonest and bad faith.
"Why should I do something that isn't true?" There's no logical way to answer that.


Or you ACTUALLY believe that's true and are not smart enough to just do it. It's pretty rare to come across people who claim it's good to want to better your own financial situation then not take their OWN advice to get rich.
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Neither are flattering.
 
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False.

If a household has a U.S.-born child, that child can qualify the household for SNAP. Benefits issued for the child feed the entire household. This is how many mixed-status households legally receive SNAP. In that regard, having a single child citizen (anchor baby) provides many welfare benefits to entire families of illegal or undocumented immigrants.


Grrr!!!! How frustrating it just be for you to see (rereads post...) children not starving.
 
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This is just dishonest and bad faith.
"Why should I do something that isn't true?" There's no logical way to answer that.
You say it is not true, yet I have relatives who are doing exactly that.
 
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You say it is not true, yet I have relatives who are doing exactly that.
This is rhe internet.

You are a random.

You can say anything I cant disprove it; you can't prove it.

They aren't here to explain it.

Sounds like you'd be stupid not to if it's that easy though.

You should do that.
 
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You guys say some hateful stuff to be christians. Someone needs to do an expose on this faction of christianity and expose your hypocrisy.

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It has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with the American culture of income shaming. It’s obvious to me that people rank themselves on how much slave labor they do on behalf of the government and use it as a measure of moral honor. Those who are not currently enslaved are tracked on their way back to the hamster wheel, and considered to be inferior life forms on the return to the treadmill.

This culture has invaded the church so much that I have been asked about my job search and/or job at church repeatedly. Are we not at church to worship the Lord? I even told another member of my church last week that “I would not like to talk about my work at church, and would rather talk about the Lord.” This request was mostly ignored, and the person continued to discuss jobs and income.

Later on that day, my dad confronted me over that interaction and told me “You messed up” and that I was rude. Of course, this is my dad we are talking about here, so his actions should not be construed as everyone. But he has some sort of anchor in the culture he is using that resonates. “You can’t talk like that at work.” is his lame excuse for this anti-Christian insult, but we’re not at work. We’re at church, or at home. I adjust my communication effortlessly to fit into whatever environment I’m in.

There’s a lot of theology that we could discuss if those at my church were willing to look beyond the culture and talk about depth. Even discussing what I thought of the sermon would treat me with more respect. Should I make more effort to shove who I really am in their face to earn the respect I feel I am due? Of course. But the point is not my personal inadequacies in dealing with my personal enemies IRL. The point is that, once you set up a culture of slave labor and competition among slaves, it’s hard to get out of the mindset. Father Government competes with Father God, and there is war among the siblings to earn both parties’ favor. The first seems to have a greater impact than the second, but in the end Christ will crush the serpent of Satan.

When I am placed in a theological environment, the contrast is clear, and I have a job now with a better one in the works. I will get my theology degree with the money I am earning, and I shall prove God to be more powerful than this culture of shame. But I expect to be shamed and disrespected and ignored until I have enough power to break these chains. I perpetually evaluate the matter of switching churches, but this one has the best theological teaching in town that I have greatly benefited from, and this problem does not extend to the leadership. It is simply a matter of establishing boundaries and changing the conversation.
 
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This is rhe internet.

You are a random.

You can say anything I cant disprove it; you can't prove it.

They aren't here to explain it.

Sounds like you'd be stupid not to if it's that easy though.

You should do that.
I would rather not get a divorce so Uncle Sam can be my ex wife's sugar daddy.
 
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Nope.

Why should I? I would be better off quiting my job, getting a divorce but still live with my ex, and live off of the government.
Oh, it’s my favorite topic! Who’s to blame for emerging being awful? Could it be… Women?

We’ve seen complaints about disabled people, the illegals, now that we’ve included your gripes about women, if we could just get somebody to complain about the gays and the trans people, we’d have full “everything is everybody else’s fault” bingo.

I never claimed to be better than anyone. I also never said that I cannot afford to eat well.
I’m sorry, did you forget the post you made where you said the poorest of the poor eat better than you?
But the single moms in my family often brag about the steak and lobster they eat.
And my gay transgender neighbor eats their EBT beluga caviar during gay story hour. Then they yell “six seven!” which activates the gay agenda sleeper cell that gives everybody Tylenol and gender surgeries and notifies BLM it’s their turn to strike next.

Again, why should I get a better job when I can make more just sitting on the couch?

So you’re working and being outsmarted by people doing less yet getting better things than you have? Geez. That’s rough.
 
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Yet you did the exact same thing to me. How quaint.
I’m aware I also made you look foolish, and it’s unusually self aware of you to admit it. Sorry it’s so easy to facilitate the means by which you all readily embarrass yourself, I guess. Next time, I’ll do better at hiding the absurdity of your logic in order to spare your feelings.

Oh, who are we kidding. I’ll do no such thing, both because I don’t want to, but because even if I did it is completely impossible to cover up how whackers bonkers some of your viewpoints truly are.
 
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False.

If a household has a U.S.-born child, that child can qualify the household for SNAP. Benefits issued for the child feed the entire household. This is how many mixed-status households legally receive SNAP. In that regard, having a single child citizen (anchor baby) provides many welfare benefits to entire families of illegal or undocumented immigrants.
False.

Having done this with my own kids, who got benefits through their mother, we had to go through the Snap process despite not needing it because their benefits were theirs, not ours. Us not needing them didn’t matter, the benefit was granted to the children and as their custodians, we had to be checked to ensure we weren’t denying something they were entitled to based off of what they were already granted.

The truth is illegals ARE receiving the benefits of SNAP in round about ways while not being eligible themselves. So thats that. Mom and dad are getting the stamps for the kids. And if course using that money for the family as a whole. That cannot be denied.
Of course mom and dad manage their minor children’s benefits. You see toddlers, elementary school kids, or even most teens getting themselves to the store, shopping, and then feeding themselves?

My kids have insurance, but they’re only getting to and from appointments because I take them and set them up. Does that suddenly mean the care they’re getting from the doctor I’m getting too? Can my insurance company yell “ah ha! You have your own insurance, but your kids have insurance too, and they get medical care that you manage! You’re double dipping and committing fraud, you scam artist!”

Spoiler alert, I manage my kids finances too because the bank says they’re too young to do so themselves. I guess I’m stealing money from my kids for gain too.

BRB, off to charge tell my husband that because my name is on the electric bill and his isn’t, he’d better not DREAM of using MY electricity for himself, lazy lump that he is. His name is on the water, though, so this could get interesting… Plus side is without water, I’ll appear performative poor enough that I can get food stamps without any effort or second looks. So there’s something. None of my kids are on any of the bills, though, so I better get after those little criminals about their thievery too.
 
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I’m sorry, did you forget the post you made where you said the poorest of the poor eat better than you?
They do eat pretty darn well. The U.S. is the only country in the world we're the poor suffers from obesity.
 
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"if they are unwilling to work..."

Yes I am aware. And that is what we have been talking about. An unwillingness to work.

You and so many on the left must be corrected iver and iver again. I dont know if its a mental block or what it is.
We on the right are NOT against helping the poor. We UNDERSTAND that there are those who cannot work for various reasons that are not their fault. NO ONE is saying that we shouldn't help them. So please STOP insinuating or saying we are. Its disingenuous at best to make that claim.

We care about everyone including our fellow citizens who are paying for these things out of their hard earned money. It should be spent WISELY. Thats also a scriptural value by the way. Conservatives are extremely generous with their money. We WANT to help the needy as much as any liberal does. But we also do not want to take money from others unwisely. Forcing your fellow citizens to pay for things should come with a serious outlook of "is this necessary and wise". And I'm telling you its often not necessary or wise. And by the way that goes for a lot of things the government spends our money on. So please stop being disingenuous about what we are saying. If you accuse us again of not wanting to help poor people and won't be responding to you anymore on this subject. You would be proving that you dont care if you are being disingenuous and misrepresenting our position.


If you are unwilling to work you should not eat. IF we are going to use scripture to determine how a government should operate we have to use ALL OF IT. Picking and choosing what you want enforced by government is a violation of scripture. You are to take all of it, not just what you want to see.

Shame on you or anyone who uses scripture as a club to try and enforce government action. Without using all of it. Its no different than trying to use scripture to outlaw homosexuality or adultery. And then turning around and saying we should not use scripture to enforce the helping of the poor through taxpayer money.

I will tell you what I told another poster.
I will support the use if taxpayer money to help the poor under any circumstance if you will agree to outlaw homosexuality, a adultery abortion, lying etc. Would you support that?

Nevermind the fact that 44% of SNAP recipients ALREADY WORK (making the point, at least kinda moot).

Thats irrelevant. Just because 44% of SNAP recipients work doeant mean they should be getting snap. I mean we seriously could make up any number we wanted to say everyone who make under $80000 gets SNAP. Then we could say, well obviously its a probelm because 80% of workers on on SNAP.

No we have GREATLY increased the number of people on snap by artificial means and not because they really need it.
I also appreciate this exegenesis on that particular passage:
If a Person Doesn’t Work, Let Them Eat Anyway
I dont appreciate it at all. Its written from a social agenda rather that a actual Biblical exigesis. How do I know. There's a little statement that is made that says volumes.

"There are those who want to work but have a hard time finding a job that lines up with their skills and desires."

That tells me immediately that writer has an agenda and a predisposed position they are trying to create.

As a Bible scholar I don't appreciate that. I won't go into all of his points to point out his errors and failures of application. Although I could. Suffice it to say, there are far too many believers, left and right who wish to use scriptures for their own agenda rather than for what it actually says.
 
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I know some homeless people who are tired of eating Carl’s Jr, Burger King, and McDonald’s, which their hot food EBT pays for, and would like to buy hot Rotisserie Chicken and other hot meat from the local health food grocery store, but they struggle to do that because their EBT doesn’t pay for it.
That’s not Snap, that’s RMP, which is slightly different, and generally only available to people with significant barriers to preparing their own food, such as homelessness, extreme mental/disability, people in group housing, and lack of pantry resources to serve the area. And the reason it covers fast food is because it’s cheap and widely available across an overwhelming majority of the country.

The reason the chicken isn’t covered but the McDonalds is has to do the deals being struck. McDonald’s is a vendor providing a service with their own product so McDonalds gets the tax break. A rotisserie chicken is a product being supplied to a third party who prepares it and nobody can agree who gets the “credit” for the service during tax time, the grocery store who utilizes payable square footage and employees to make the chicken, or the people who supply the chicken. If they were Tyson chickens made by Tyson employees, then it would be covered because Tyson gets the perks.

But since it’s sometimes Tyson, sometimes Purdue, sometimes whomever, being prepped by a food service vendor, sometimes the chicken is supplied as a restaurant product through another vendor, sometimes it’s just product pulled from the shelf, cooked, and sold at a markup, it’s hard to work out who gets what perk and how to manage it. It has nothing to do with food safety, just who gets credit at tax time.

I will say, though, check with your grocery store. Some let you buy the chicken on EBT then hand it off to be cooked in store. That’s totally OK in some places as it was not prepared at the point of purchase. And check with the wholesale club… Several give steep discounts in membership for people on assistance. They want you to shop there as much as you want to shop there. They get the best tax breaks for number of people on EBT of the industry.
 
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You say it is not true, yet I have relatives who are doing exactly that.
I have numerous female supermodels in my family. Therefore, all women are supermodels.

All the women in my family have blue eyes. Therefore, all women have blue eyes.

All of my sisters and my husband’s sisters own cats. Therefore, all people who have sisters can report their sisters have cats.

I fell down the stairs last week, my two of my kids did about a month ago. My mother did earlier this year. My husband hasn’t in awhile. Out of all of those people, my husband is the only one of us to not like water. Therefore, drinking water makes people fall down stairs.

Honestly, this is a fun game.
 
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I would rather not get a divorce so Uncle Sam can be my ex wife's sugar daddy.
Did you think about this before you said it? Like, even a little? Because I feel like if you sat down and thought about this comment… Really thought about it… You’d realize you just said something crazy awkward with your outside voice when it probably should have just been an inside thought you held onto for just yourself.
 
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They do eat pretty darn well. The U.S. is the only country in the world we're the poor suffers from obesity.
Ooop, there’s that outside voice again saying the thing that should have stayed an inside thought.

Not only is that fundamentally untrue, but I’ve been lead to believe through the whole of this thread that one can’t eat well and eat junk food as it’s garbage, so stands to reason if one is eating food labeled as junk and garbage, they aren’t actually eating “pretty darn well.”

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I wish we could strike a happy medium between the poster who uses AI and Google for everything but gets it wrong, and you who uses it exactly never and gets it wrong. It’s hard to switch between uniformed through allowing the machines to do too much and uniformed by not using too little of what is accessible via machines.

It reminds me of when I was a teacher where one kid is yelling “1+1=100” and the other yelling “1+1=blue.” One was bad at math and numbers and not adding correctly, the other was bad at grammar and word comprehension and not getting “blue” and “two” are entirely different words. Both were spectacularly wrong but for entirely different reasons that I couldn’t just yell one “you’re all wrong” answer for and call it a lesson.
 
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That’s not Snap, that’s RMP, which is slightly different, and generally only available to people with significant barriers to preparing their own food, such as homelessness, extreme mental/disability, people in group housing, and lack of pantry resources to serve the area. And the reason it covers fast food is because it’s cheap and widely available across an overwhelming majority of the country.
I’m on SNAP definitely and still can’t buy the hot rotisserie chicken though, except when there is a state disaster like wildfires and then the food stamps magically decide to cover my Costco chicken purchase. True story.
The reason the chicken isn’t covered but the McDonalds is has to do the deals being struck. McDonald’s is a vendor providing a service with their own product so McDonalds gets the tax break. A rotisserie chicken is a product being supplied to a third party who prepares it and nobody can agree who gets the “credit” for the service during tax time, the grocery store who utilizes payable square footage and employees to make the chicken, or the people who supply the chicken. If they were Tyson chickens made by Tyson employees, then it would be covered because Tyson gets the perks.
Somehow all this disappears in a state emergency. Also, this makes zero sense, because if what you were saying were true, I would not be able to buy any store branded product ever. Right now I can walk into Sprouts or Jimbo’s and buy a cold deli sandwich prepared on site with my SNAP card. I can buy bread and desserts from Costco or Sprouts that have no brand name on them. I can buy Kirkland Signature vitamin water on my EBT card just fine. This reasoning is totally not working for SNAP purchases.

It’s Kirkland Signature (Costco) chicken and Sprouts branded chicken sold in bags I’m talking about here. The brand is totally on the packaging. I have every reason to believe that Costco has a chicken farm somewhere where they raise the birds. It’s an arbitrary rule having to do with the food’s temperature.

Never mind the fact that the temperature actually has some utility if you’re inviting your car dwelling friends to lunch using your Costco membership, which is something I’ve actually done. Haul some lettuce, tomato, etc, and some paper plates in with a real knife and cutlery in a small cooler, buy a chicken at the Costco and chop it up in the food court area to serve to the group, $5 feeds everybody.

I’ve done this stunt multiple times with little trouble from management, though I recommend taking any labels off the cooler so they don’t think you stole said cooler from them. That was really the only problem we had.
I will say, though, check with your grocery store. Some let you buy the chicken on EBT then hand it off to be cooked in store. That’s totally OK in some places as it was not prepared at the point of purchase. And check with the wholesale club… Several give steep discounts in membership for people on assistance. They want you to shop there as much as you want to shop there. They get the best tax breaks for number of people on EBT of the industry.
Okay. My brother is paying for the Costco membership for both of us, but technically he’s on SNAP too these days as he’s between jobs. Maybe my friends can look into it when they get their own memberships as well.

This might partly explain why they let my creative use of the food court go, I thought they just wanted to sell chickens and weren’t mad because I was a customer. But yeah, they have cases of green olives and vitamin water and other stuff that I’ve used to contain my mental health symptoms over the years, so it’s actually a good place for the rest of us to shop.

(The reason I got the impression Costco was bougousie is because a big part of their business model is selling overpriced TVs and sheds to the ignorant upper middle class on their way to the paper towels and water cases in the back.)
 
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Yeah, that it has an acronym is not a reason. This looks like nothing more then excuses to control others actions to what you find appropriate. It is the same urge that gets us "work requirements" that waste more money then it saves.
Defending people using taxpayer money on garbage food is just contributing to the anti-SNAP sentiment.
 
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