the "blue wave" last night and the government shutdown

dogs4thewin · 2025-11-05T09:55:06-0600

I wonder what will happen if the government stays shut down for a couple of weeks after the election as that would likely mean that the idea of the "blue wave" being the Republicans fault and thus voting for democrats in a sense "failed" as people at the state and local levels are not the ones controlling the shut down anyway How would people who voted for the democrats BECAUSE of the shutdown react?

This would particularly be the case if 1-1-26 gets here and the healthcare credits run out in which case the democrats would basically "lose" by default in as far as getting what they wanted while the government was shut down for at LEAST a quarter of the year.

That Guy 11200 · 2025-11-05T10:35:08-0600

"A government shutdown falls on the president's lack of leadership. I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. A shutdown means the president is weak." - Donald Trump

Fantine · 2025-11-05T11:38:28-0600

Most politicians start at the local level, move up to the state level, and then perhaps to Congress or even the presidency. That's the launching pad

The sweeps certainly showed the extreme dissatisfaction Trump and his policies across the board, even immigration. A number of issues are in the 20's.

Trump's approval rating on immigration and government spending has slipped, new AP-NORC poll finds

Just 1 in 4 U.S. adults say President Donald Trump’s policies have helped them. That's according to a new AP-NORC poll that finds underwhelming marks for the Republican president on key issues, including the economy, immigration, government spending and health care.

apnews.com

Trump created Momdani. So extreme are his policies that they invite voters to go to the other extreme. Let's face it--there are dozens of important, necessary programs that have been scrapped or eviscerated--whole departments like Education. Other departments have been put in the hands of conspiracy theorists--like Robert Kennedy, Jr. People know it will take more than a bunch of compromisers and wimps to get back to even. It takes real leaders who are bold and innovative. And so Trump created Momdani. As Bonnie Tyler sang, "We're holding out for a hero."

A local leader of the country's largest city will inspire other young charismatic leaders to get involved. He's even willing to give them all his blueprints.

He can never run for president because--unlike Obama, whose African bir thatth was invented and exploited by Trump--Momdani was actually born in Uganda.

But he can lead the charge that will rescue our country from the deadliness of oligarchy and authoritarian dictatorship.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-05T11:57:10-0600

Fantine said:
Trump created Momdani.

eh… He may have pushed the movement along, but the desire for something different has growing independent of Trump. I’d be more inclined to say that they’re both products of the same forces; the right just got a head start.

Desk trauma · 2025-11-05T12:24:54-0600

dogs4thewin said:
I wonder what will happen if the government stays shut down for a couple of weeks after the election as that would likely mean that the idea of the "blue wave" being the Republicans fault and thus voting for democrats in a sense "failed" as people at the state and local levels are not the ones controlling the shut down anyway How would people who voted for the democrats BECAUSE of the shutdown react?

The majority of those that voted wanted democrats as representatives, they voted and got what they wanted but they failed. Ok…

dogs4thewin · 2025-11-05T12:59:41-0600

Desk trauma said:
The majority of those that voted wanted democrats as representatives, they voted and got what they wanted but they failed. Ok…

that was not what I said. If they voted for democrats BECAUSE they felt republicans are to blame for the shutdown and yet the shutdown is still here say in two weeks or a month ( meaning that losing did not get the republicans to talk and re-open the government how would the base feel that even AFTER the election the shutdown persist ( again particularly if the year begins with the healthcare credits expiring which would mean that the democrats basically "lost" on that front as there would still be no healthcare deal and so all that holding out for the republicans to work out a deal to keep Americans from "losing" healthcare would come to nothing because time would be up.

Desk trauma · 2025-11-05T13:04:34-0600

dogs4thewin said:
that was not what I said. If they voted for democrats BECAUSE they felt republicans are to blame for the shutdown and yet the shutdown is still here say in two weeks or a month ( meaning that losing did not get the republicans to talk and re-open the government how would the base feel that even AFTER the election the shutdown persist ( again particularly if the year begins with the healthcare credits expiring which would mean that the democrats basically "lost" on that front as there would still be no healthcare deal and so all that holding out for the republicans to work out a deal to keep Americans from "losing" healthcare would come to nothing because time would be up.

Why of course they will realize the error of their ways and only vote for MAGA representatives there after.

dogs4thewin · 2025-11-05T13:09:43-0600

Desk trauma said:
Why of course they will realize the error of their ways and only vote for MAGA representatives there after.

Would they then not realize that it is the democrats and not the republicans with ONE exception that keep voting to keep the government closed.

Yttrium · 2025-11-05T13:20:12-0600

dogs4thewin said:
Would they then not realize that it is the democrats and not the republicans with ONE exception that keep voting to keep the government closed.

Because they see the fault as lack of reasonable compromise on the part of the MAGA party.

dogs4thewin · 2025-11-05T13:25:54-0600

Yttrium said:
Because they see the fault as lack of reasonable compromise on the part of the MAGA party.

Except that there is nothing to compromise as the EXTRA credits were to expire at the end of the year anyway and they want illegals to get benefits and a whole bunch of other stuff (otherwise they would be OK with the republicans just expending the credits.

Vambram · 2025-11-05T13:25:54-0600

Fantine said:
Most politicians start at the local level, move up to the state level, and then perhaps to Congress or even the presidency. That's the launching pad

The sweeps certainly showed the extreme dissatisfaction Trump and his policies across the board, even immigration. A number of issues are in the 20's.

Trump's approval rating on immigration and government spending has slipped, new AP-NORC poll finds

Just 1 in 4 U.S. adults say President Donald Trump’s policies have helped them. That's according to a new AP-NORC poll that finds underwhelming marks for the Republican president on key issues, including the economy, immigration, government spending and health care.

apnews.com

Trump created Momdani. So extreme are his policies that they invite voters to go to the other extreme. Let's face it--there are dozens of important, necessary programs that have been scrapped or eviscerated--whole departments like Education. Other departments have been put in the hands of conspiracy theorists--like Robert Kennedy, Jr. People know it will take more than a bunch of compromisers and wimps to get back to even. It takes real leaders who are bold and innovative. And so Trump created Momdani. As Bonnie Tyler sang, "We're holding out for a hero."

A local leader of the country's largest city will inspire other young charismatic leaders to get involved. He's even willing to give them all his blueprints.

He can never run for president because--unlike Obama, whose African bir thatth was invented and exploited by Trump--Momdani was actually born in Uganda.

But he can lead the charge that will rescue our country from the deadliness of oligarchy and authoritarian dictatorship.

Mamdani victory speech draws concern as NYC mayor-elect vows 'no problem too large for government to solve'

Zohran Mamdani indicated during a New York City mayoral race victory speech that there is no matter too big or small for the government to tackle.

www.foxnews.com

Van Jones calls out Zohran Mamdani for 'character switch' during intense victory speech

CNN's Van Jones called out New York City mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani for his "character switch" during an intense victory speech on Tuesday, saying his tone was sharper than usual.

www.foxnews.com

DaisyDay · 2025-11-05T13:33:33-0600

dogs4thewin said:
that was not what I said. If they voted for democrats BECAUSE they felt republicans are to blame for the shutdown and yet the shutdown is still here say in two weeks or a month ( meaning that losing did not get the republicans to talk and re-open the government how would the base feel that even AFTER the election the shutdown persist ( again particularly if the year begins with the healthcare credits expiring which would mean that the democrats basically "lost" on that front as there would still be no healthcare deal and so all that holding out for the republicans to work out a deal to keep Americans from "losing" healthcare would come to nothing because time would be up.

If the government were to open without healthcare and food subsidies in place that would be even worse because then there would be no impetus for the Republicans to negotiate with the Democrats - the shutdown would have been for nothing. I hope the Democrats hold fast.

dogs4thewin said:
Except that there is nothing to compromise as the EXTRA credits were to expire at the end of the year anyway and they want illegals to get benefits and a whole bunch of other stuff (otherwise they would be OK with the republicans just expending the credits.

The extra credits can be extended instead of expiring. That's what the Democrats are holding out for.

The thing about "illegals" is a lie. The Democrats would be OK with the Republicans extending (rather than expending) those credits. Plus funding for Medicare and SNAP.

dogs4thewin · 2025-11-05T13:37:34-0600

DaisyDay said:
If the government were to open without healthcare and food subsidies in place that would be even worse because then there would be no impetus for the Republicans to negotiate with the Democrats - the shutdown would have been for nothing. I hope the Democrats hold fast.

so you would be OK if that holding fast ended up in time running out AKA January 1st 2026 coming with no deal which again would mean that there would STILL be no deal and Americans would still "lose" healthcare which they were fighting to avoid the whole time.

Desk trauma · 2025-11-05T13:39:44-0600

dogs4thewin said:
so you would be OK if that holding fast ended up in time running out AKA January 1st 2026 coming with no deal which again would mean that there would STILL be no deal and Americans would still "lose" healthcare which they were fighting to avoid the whole time.

You would appear to be making up whatever hypothetical required to try to minimize the gains made by democrats.

dogs4thewin · 2025-11-05T13:42:51-0600

Desk trauma said:
You would appear to be making up whatever hypothetical required to try to minimize the gains made by democrats.

maybe so but some people were saying that the government would open after the election, so if it still takes weeks then did the election really have the effect that many hoped/suggested?

NxNW · 2025-11-05T13:44:19-0600

dogs4thewin said:
Except that there is nothing to compromise as the EXTRA credits were to expire at the end of the year anyway and they want illegals to get benefits

No they don't.

Desk trauma · 2025-11-05T13:44:26-0600

dogs4thewin said:
maybe so but some people were saying that the government would open after the election, so if it still takes weeks then did the election really have the effect that many hoped/suggested?

Yes, the election had an effect and does not bode well for republicans.

durangodawood · 2025-11-05T13:51:18-0600

Was there enough at stake this time to call this a "wave"?

I do think tho that people are realizing that some culture war victory fluff pales next to the economic instability people are feeling. Not just the bottom 50% who have it worst, but also business people who have no idea what rules theyre playing by from one month to the next.

DaisyDay · 2025-11-05T14:01:00-0600

dogs4thewin said:
so you would be OK if that holding fast ended up in time running out AKA January 1st 2026 coming with no deal which again would mean that there would STILL be no deal and Americans would still "lose" healthcare which they were fighting to avoid the whole time.

Why would I be OK with that when I just said the opposite? Time has already run out as people go to renew their plans. There is no deal now. Why would there be a deal if government were to reopen?

You know that the time running out is purely in control of Congress - they can extend the open enrollment window if they choose to as they are the lawmakers.

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